XMPP Service Operators - 2021-05-29

Establishing a secure connection from muc.kaidan.im to lebihan.pl failed. Certificate hash: fb4d13b49f8cbc7c120d17c424c4f9b40e3dfea8af4bbc140b8b2ad76e42902c. Error with certificate 0: certificate has expired.

Another job for o.j.n 😂

> Establishing a secure connection from muc.kaidan.im to lebihan.pl failed. Certificate hash: fb4d13b49f8cbc7c120d17c424c4f9b40e3dfea8af4bbc140b8b2ad76e42902c. Error with certificate 0: certificate has expired. everybody received this?

Tried to join a MUC there and my server also complains about the expired cert.

but why don't the make automatic renew in cron?

Cert expiry usually happens when the automation fails.

but you can place a webhook when it failed

I place a cron-job which will check the certs every day and if less then 30day lifetime renew it. Additional cron-job is running to check if there are less then 20days lifetime and send xmpp-alert to me if yes

hi! is this a good place to ask about transports?

x0n: transport to what?

Oh—transports are fun! 😁

I'm only just beginning my dive into operating my own server. to start with, I looked at some public servers and found one offering a discord transport. how are they doing this?

sectrum2 most likely

*spectrum2

is this via spectrum or purple?

both 😉

madness. I come from a trillian -> bitlbee -> matrix background but neither really satisfied me WRT to protocol bridging. so spectrum2 is the end-all of transports?

badly maintained and libpurple sucks, but give it a try

imho bitlbee without libpurple works better

I am hoping that this gains traction: https://gitlab.com/nicocool84/slidge

ok, so it's basically the same situation as with matrix? nice plans for version 2.0 of hacky proof of concept protocol bridges that noone ever felt like building?

x0n, not exactly the same no. long time ago someone put some serious effort into it, but over time things broke and people realized such gateways are for the most part a futile effort.

the youngsters at matrix still need to learn that

the only gateway that works great in bioumi (IRC)

*is

Mmmm. It's been several years since I tried Spectrum2; IIRC I'd wanted it for IRC, and both its normal IRC module and libpurple left something to be desired..., and eventually I ended up with Biboumi which is quite nice.

Will there be Spectrum 3?

eta was working on something like that, but recently abanoded it again

see the above "slidge" for the most promising replacement, but I think the author also stopped working on it due to time issues

how about having one project usable from xmpp and matrix done in co-operation with people from both networks?

matrix works completely different internally, I doubt that would work

IMHO I think the best/only option is Matterbridge, despite the hate it gets in some places

what is the usual complaint?

users are not transparent

and on some legacy networks it looks bad

yes, the problem on matrix side is that there is that ugly relay bot

> the only gateway that works great is bioumi (IRC) Cheogram (SMS and phone calls) also works pretty well.

it does not bridge users

homebeach, that is imho why it works. and that is also an advantage from the metadata leak prevention point of view

that said, wth user-spoofing it looks quite ok

but we are getting OT 😉

> IMHO I think the best/only option is Matterbridge, despite the hate it gets in some places There is also hybridbot, which apparently manages reconnects at least slightly better than matterbridge, and is maybe a little prettier...

There's also a project called xmpp-ircd which creates a "virtual IRC network" front end to an XMPP MUC service.... I started playing with / hacking on and hoping to contribute that recently....

It's... kind of a transport, I guess?

yeah xmpp-ircd would be cool, but I think there s no project like that in active development?

It's... quasi-active right now.

I'm running an instance of it, fixing stuff up wherever necessary.

is there some MUC dedicated for talking about transports?

My response to the whole "freenode / liberachat" schism / takeover / moral panic is basically... "uh..., this seems like a good opportunity to get more decentralized, try to start giving up on IRC, migrate to XMPP, maybe add some alternate front-end UIs". Went looking for "some sort of ircd-alike front-end to MUCs", found xmpp-ircd, said "wow this is exactly what I need, it just needs more maintainers... sure, I can be +1"

Don't need no stinkin IRK

Xmpp is #1

I see. this right: https://github.com/moparisthebest/xmpp-ircd

nice to see some development

but irc is still where the public content is

Its where the maladjusted children live pretending to be kings of castles

children already have their snapchat and tik tok

way ot

homebeach: clearly wasnt enough

> ‎Kris‎: the only gateway that works great in bioumi (IRC) so you're saying it's like matrix after all? ;)

no, better. the matrix irc bridge sucks in comparison :p

I'm not going back to matrix either way. their lead dev is dead-set on a social credit system *and* he wants to implement content filtering by gov.-controlled censorship lists. "for the children". xmpp servers and clients are a lot more mature. not to mention encryption actually works...

x0n: huh. Do you have a link to a write-up on that?

Yes please provide that I may plaster the shit out of the internet with it

the social credit thing was on HN, on the newvector website there's gotta be a blogpost linking to it

Find it

A lot of people involved with a lot of projects and protocol-designs do seem to want that these days... 😞

there you go: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24826951

I will dedicate my time to plastering anything about social credit system and matrix

"identifying yourself by your blocklist" and "knowing your friends/tribe by the contents of *their* blocklists" seems to have become a popular thing, even.

re: the "CP filtering", I asked Matthew in their matrix channel if he wants gov stalkers on his network and he deflected

they're incorporated in the UK, so investigatory powers act galore...

rozzin, x0n: having a system set up where popular servers can outvote other servers out of existence is entirely what the fuck

yeah, that network is fucked. there are some people extending the matrix spec and developing alternate servers and clients, we'll see if they fare better

lets start a matrix hater muc (totally OT here)

x0n: did you use loaded language like "gov stalkers" in the question you asked him? 😅 I find it's hard to be sure whether people deflect etc. because of the actual underlying question vs. loaded tone/context... Maybe it's just one of my weaknesses though.

rozzin: sorry I'm long gone from the network. don't remember it verbatim

basically this happened shortly after the HN post

I'm pretty certain I liked this to make my point though: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=I24K8BfV840

Kris: I mean, considering omemo is a pretty important part of xmpp, I am super angry about mandatory backdoors.

> <@_xmpp_Kris=2foperators=40muc.xmpp.org:matrix.org> lets start a matrix hater muc (totally OT here) i want to see this

homebeach, irony much prosting this from matrix?

*posting

perhaps