XMPP Service Operators - 2021-05-29


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  162. mimi89999 Establishing a secure connection from muc.kaidan.im to lebihan.pl failed. Certificate hash: fb4d13b49f8cbc7c120d17c424c4f9b40e3dfea8af4bbc140b8b2ad76e42902c. Error with certificate 0: certificate has expired.
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  164. Martin Another job for o.j.n 😂
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  171. christian > Establishing a secure connection from muc.kaidan.im to lebihan.pl failed. Certificate hash: fb4d13b49f8cbc7c120d17c424c4f9b40e3dfea8af4bbc140b8b2ad76e42902c. Error with certificate 0: certificate has expired. everybody received this?
  172. Martin Tried to join a MUC there and my server also complains about the expired cert.
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  176. christian but why don't the make automatic renew in cron?
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  178. Martin Cert expiry usually happens when the automation fails.
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  182. christian but you can place a webhook when it failed
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  186. ernst.on.tour I place a cron-job which will check the certs every day and if less then 30day lifetime renew it. Additional cron-job is running to check if there are less then 20days lifetime and send xmpp-alert to me if yes
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  671. x0n hi! is this a good place to ask about transports?
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  674. Licaon_Kter x0n: transport to what?
  675. rozzin Oh—transports are fun! 😁
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  681. x0n I'm only just beginning my dive into operating my own server. to start with, I looked at some public servers and found one offering a discord transport. how are they doing this?
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  687. Kris sectrum2 most likely
  688. Kris *spectrum2
  689. x0n is this via spectrum or purple?
  690. Kris both 😉
  691. x0n madness. I come from a trillian -> bitlbee -> matrix background but neither really satisfied me WRT to protocol bridging. so spectrum2 is the end-all of transports?
  692. Kris badly maintained and libpurple sucks, but give it a try
  693. Kris imho bitlbee without libpurple works better
  694. Kris I am hoping that this gains traction: https://gitlab.com/nicocool84/slidge
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  711. x0n ok, so it's basically the same situation as with matrix? nice plans for version 2.0 of hacky proof of concept protocol bridges that noone ever felt like building?
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  731. Kris x0n, not exactly the same no. long time ago someone put some serious effort into it, but over time things broke and people realized such gateways are for the most part a futile effort.
  732. Kris the youngsters at matrix still need to learn that
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  734. Kris the only gateway that works great in bioumi (IRC)
  735. Kris *is
  736. rozzin Mmmm. It's been several years since I tried Spectrum2; IIRC I'd wanted it for IRC, and both its normal IRC module and libpurple left something to be desired..., and eventually I ended up with Biboumi which is quite nice.
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  751. homebeach Will there be Spectrum 3?
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  753. Kris eta was working on something like that, but recently abanoded it again
  754. Kris see the above "slidge" for the most promising replacement, but I think the author also stopped working on it due to time issues
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  756. homebeach how about having one project usable from xmpp and matrix done in co-operation with people from both networks?
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  758. Kris matrix works completely different internally, I doubt that would work
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  764. Kris IMHO I think the best/only option is Matterbridge, despite the hate it gets in some places
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  770. homebeach what is the usual complaint?
  771. Kris users are not transparent
  772. Kris and on some legacy networks it looks bad
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  774. homebeach yes, the problem on matrix side is that there is that ugly relay bot
  775. rozzin > the only gateway that works great is bioumi (IRC) Cheogram (SMS and phone calls) also works pretty well.
  776. homebeach it does not bridge users
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  778. Kris homebeach, that is imho why it works. and that is also an advantage from the metadata leak prevention point of view
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  780. Kris that said, wth user-spoofing it looks quite ok
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  783. Kris but we are getting OT 😉
  784. rozzin > IMHO I think the best/only option is Matterbridge, despite the hate it gets in some places There is also hybridbot, which apparently manages reconnects at least slightly better than matterbridge, and is maybe a little prettier...
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  787. rozzin There's also a project called xmpp-ircd which creates a "virtual IRC network" front end to an XMPP MUC service.... I started playing with / hacking on and hoping to contribute that recently....
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  789. rozzin It's... kind of a transport, I guess?
  790. Kris yeah xmpp-ircd would be cool, but I think there s no project like that in active development?
  791. rozzin It's... quasi-active right now.
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  793. rozzin I'm running an instance of it, fixing stuff up wherever necessary.
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  795. homebeach is there some MUC dedicated for talking about transports?
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  798. rozzin My response to the whole "freenode / liberachat" schism / takeover / moral panic is basically... "uh..., this seems like a good opportunity to get more decentralized, try to start giving up on IRC, migrate to XMPP, maybe add some alternate front-end UIs". Went looking for "some sort of ircd-alike front-end to MUCs", found xmpp-ircd, said "wow this is exactly what I need, it just needs more maintainers... sure, I can be +1"
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  803. Anhydrous Don't need no stinkin IRK
  804. Anhydrous Xmpp is #1
  805. Kris I see. this right: https://github.com/moparisthebest/xmpp-ircd
  806. Kris nice to see some development
  807. homebeach but irc is still where the public content is
  808. Anhydrous Its where the maladjusted children live pretending to be kings of castles
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  810. homebeach children already have their snapchat and tik tok
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  812. Эннифер way ot
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  820. Anhydrous homebeach: clearly wasnt enough
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  847. x0n > ‎Kris‎: the only gateway that works great in bioumi (IRC) so you're saying it's like matrix after all? ;)
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  850. Kris no, better. the matrix irc bridge sucks in comparison :p
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  861. x0n I'm not going back to matrix either way. their lead dev is dead-set on a social credit system *and* he wants to implement content filtering by gov.-controlled censorship lists. "for the children". xmpp servers and clients are a lot more mature. not to mention encryption actually works...
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  863. rozzin x0n: huh. Do you have a link to a write-up on that?
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  865. Anhydrous Yes please provide that I may plaster the shit out of the internet with it
  866. x0n the social credit thing was on HN, on the newvector website there's gotta be a blogpost linking to it
  867. Anhydrous Find it
  868. rozzin A lot of people involved with a lot of projects and protocol-designs do seem to want that these days... 😞
  869. x0n there you go: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24826951
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  873. Anhydrous I will dedicate my time to plastering anything about social credit system and matrix
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  876. rozzin "identifying yourself by your blocklist" and "knowing your friends/tribe by the contents of *their* blocklists" seems to have become a popular thing, even.
  877. x0n re: the "CP filtering", I asked Matthew in their matrix channel if he wants gov stalkers on his network and he deflected
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  879. x0n they're incorporated in the UK, so investigatory powers act galore...
  880. Anhydrous rozzin, x0n: having a system set up where popular servers can outvote other servers out of existence is entirely what the fuck
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  882. x0n yeah, that network is fucked. there are some people extending the matrix spec and developing alternate servers and clients, we'll see if they fare better
  883. Kris lets start a matrix hater muc (totally OT here)
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  885. rozzin x0n: did you use loaded language like "gov stalkers" in the question you asked him? 😅 I find it's hard to be sure whether people deflect etc. because of the actual underlying question vs. loaded tone/context... Maybe it's just one of my weaknesses though.
  886. x0n rozzin: sorry I'm long gone from the network. don't remember it verbatim
  887. x0n basically this happened shortly after the HN post
  888. x0n I'm pretty certain I liked this to make my point though: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=I24K8BfV840
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  890. Anhydrous Kris: I mean, considering omemo is a pretty important part of xmpp, I am super angry about mandatory backdoors.
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  901. homebeach > <@_xmpp_Kris=2foperators=40muc.xmpp.org:matrix.org> lets start a matrix hater muc (totally OT here) i want to see this
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  903. Kris homebeach, irony much prosting this from matrix?
  904. Kris *posting
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  906. homebeach perhaps
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