XMPP Service Operators - 2021-06-01


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  98. rob I might switch registrars, not right away but if I can find one that lets my set my own glue and dnssec I'll be happy
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  197. Licaon_Kter x0n: interesting tidbits regarding bridging on Matrix https://gitlab.com/fdroid/admin/-/issues/224#note_589355557
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  363. Харпер are there stats of % servers that support IPv6?
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  366. moparisthebest there aren't even stats on % of servers
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  368. Харпер 🙁
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  373. Martin You could ask the operators of huge servers how's there percentage of v6 s2s connections.
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  378. jonas’ Martin, I have stats on v4/v6 for sjn
  379. Martin Харпер ^
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  384. Харпер jonas’, do you have a ballpark number?
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  388. jonas’ approximately 50:50 IPv4/IPv6
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  390. jonas’ interestingly, outbound I have more IPv4 than IPv6
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  392. jonas’ but that the connection is established via v4 does not neccessarily mean that v6 is not supported
  393. Харпер hmm, thank you
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  805. thndrbvr If you're looking at s2c stuff as well, or maybe individual' servers, VPNs sometimes block ipv6 and only tunnel through ipv4.
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  826. tom » <thndrbvr> If you're looking at s2c stuff as well, or maybe individual' servers, VPNs sometimes block ipv6 and only tunnel through ipv4. why?
  827. tom that'd seem like the exact opposite of what a cpn company would want to do
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  830. tom how are they getting all that legacy address space anyhow? It's not like ARIN has anymore to give any everybody else is clutching onto their /24s for dear life
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  832. moparisthebest NAT
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  834. jonas’ he said the evil world!
  835. jonas’ he said the evil word!
  836. jonas’ et ceterum censeo NAT delendam esse
  837. tom gosh, that must be expensive to do
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  841. tom not only do you have all the crypto overhead at gigabit speeds per connection, but you've got a MASSIVE multi-gigabit nat too
  842. tom with thousands of users
  843. tom also
  844. tom wow that' a shitty vpn
  845. tom not even getting a publicly rout-able address
  846. jonas’ tom, high performance NAT is unfortunately a solved issue (carrier grade nat is a thing)
  847. tom do you mean hardware offloaded nat?
  848. moparisthebest tom, if the entire selling point of your VPN is "privacy" then you WANT all users to share 1 ipv4 with NAT, not each get their own address
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  850. tom your still going to run out of sports aren't you?
  851. tom moparisthebest: I think that's kind of silly
  852. moparisthebest tom, I do too but that's what it is
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  854. tom what's not private about transient but unique publicly routable addressing
  855. tom also
  856. tom that's really not a long term bussiness solution, and it's causing a massive headache for us infra and server operators as we have to operate our own nats and pay to rent ipv4s from people who still have some
  857. tom for ever-increasing prices
  858. tom some people paying as high as 10 dollars per v4 now
  859. tom i pay about half that, but still
  860. tom i've said this before but it ought to be a lot for ISPs to HAVE to provide native ipv6 with any broadband internet service
  861. tom otherwise, there's simply no address space left for new businesses and competitors to spring up
  862. tom we all have to pay the legacy incumbent feee
  863. jonas’ tom, no, connections are quadruples (srcip, sport, dstip, dport), not pairs. you cannot run out of sports before the destination runs out of dports :)
  864. jonas’ tom, no, connections are quadruples (srcip, sport, dstip, dport), not pairs. you cannot run out of sports that easily
  865. tom just have your users run bittorrent
  866. tom that's what people pay for vpns for anyways right?
  867. tom i need to look more into cgnat
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  869. tom » » +--------------+--------+--------+--------+--------------+----------+ » | Test | Single | Single | Dual | Dual ISP, | Notes | » | Scenario | ISP, | ISP, | ISP, | One HN+One | | » | (per Test | Single | Two | One HN | User on | | » | Plan) | HN, | HN, | with | ISP-A, Two | | » | | Single | Single | One | HN with One | | » | | User | User | User | User on Each | | » | | | on | on | on ISP-B | | » | | | Each | Each | | | » | | | | ISP | | | » +--------------+--------+--------+--------+--------------+----------+ » | Video | Pass | Pass | Pass | Pass | fails | » | streaming | | | | | behind | » | over Netflix | | | | | one | » | | | | | | router | » +--------------+--------+--------+--------+--------------+----------+ » | Video | Pass | Pass | Pass | Pass | | » | streaming | | | | | | » | over YouTube | | | | | | » +--------------+--------+--------+--------+--------------+----------+ as long as youtube and netflix works, nothing else matters right (sarcasm)
  870. moparisthebest well and "the internet" right ? (that's "facebook")
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  886. qrpnxz > et ceterum censeo NAT delendam esse lmfao
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  889. qrpnxz > well and "the internet" right ? (that's "facebook") my lord, you and jonas should have a show ur killing me
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  924. thndrbvr > tom wrote: > why? > that'd seem like the exact opposite of what a VPN company would want to do That's sometimes just an option. Either by default or as troubleshooting. Also, many sites / registrars / hosting providers don't support ipv6. At least not without asking.
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