XMPP Service Operators - 2021-06-06

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Yikes watch out anyone who runs VMware https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/06/under-exploit-vmware-vulnerability-with-severity-rating-of-9-8-out-of-10/

Sam: "easy invitations without having to involve the server admin" is also one of the things that I get out of my ejabberd / GNU social integration (since GNU social already has an invitation system). I'd guess that integrating with Mastodon/Pleroma/whatever probably has similar functionality as well?

And on that note..., I've been wanting to set up converse.js with GNU social such that once a user logs into the GNU social web UI, the user is preauthenticated to use XMPP via the converse.js widget embedded in the GNU social page..., but every time I try to actually do it, I read through the converse.js docs and I just can't seem to quite wrap my head around whatever is actually required.... Maybe someone here could provide some pointers?

^ same but with jsxc

rozzin: have you tried to get help in the converse.js room?

Sounds like you might get more chances there :)

Have* (sorry, early :D)

Excuse me if it's already been discussed, but any thoughts on session? ✏

Licaon_Kter: thanks for that link re:matrix bridging!

Are there some statistics how many users there are currently in the main XMPP network? ✏

"main"?

https://blog.prosody.im/2020-retrospective/

https://the-federation.info/prosody

https://the-federation.info/protocol/xmpp

> <@_xmpp_=425=430=440=43f=435=440=2foperators=40muc.xmpp.org:matrix.org> "main"? the network where muc.xmpp.org is connected

https://the-federation.info/ejabberd

the-federation.info is opt-in so it captures only a very small number of servers

homebeach, what makes you think xmpp.org is the "main" network?

xmpp isn't centralized like matrix

xmpp.org is mostly irrelevant 😉

heeh ;P

homebeach: > the network where muc.xmpp.org is connected I can't believe you've said that, that's some sad thing Arathorn brainwashed their users???

homebeach: i'll quote myself from elsewhere > Remember when XMPP was _just jelly_ when pointing that "matrix federation" is just a bullet point on slides? > https://tech.lgbt/@kolbychez/106348237839015667 > ...what is "matrix.org" and what is "Element" and what is "the Matrix protocol"?

well there probably are isolated xmpp networks including those used for proprietary service such as Google

homebeach: whataboutism much?

I think it's just a misunderstanding maybe. homebeach: most server don't connect at the moment to xmpp.org, since there are no users of the one server In a muc that is hosted by xmpp.org. But they are not isolated and could connect anytime. It's just another network structure.

Alex: > Excuse me if it's already been discussed, but any thoughts on session? Onion routing but NOT Tor, maybe not even yet active, soon™ Some $hit coin/blockchain integration Says p2p but no workie if can't login to their server Push service via Google Not fully FOSS cause non-free Google push libs, so not in F-Droid Need more?

All good critiques but a couple notes

> Session now has an F-Droid repo for everyone who wants to avoid the Google Play Store.

> https://the-federation.info/ I think these numbers are so wrong it makes it more wrong to publish them then to say I don't know, because of the mentioned opt in and the unpopularity to do so. (I didn't even know it existed and I won't opt in now either)

homebeach: what is federation? Look, Conversations Offtopic room, 40 members, 34 different servers.

> Session’s Android client has two options for notifications: background polling, and Firebase Cloud Messaging. > If you choose the background polling method, the Session application runs in the background and periodically polls its swarm for new messages. If a new message is found, it is presented to the user as a local notification.

Seems to be copying most of what conversations is doing

Alex: they have Google libs inside, that's a -1 point from me Great that it can do polling, so +1 Result? Zero :)

Haha, sure thing, just trying to be objective. I don't yet see any benefits over xmpp

Exactly...

homebeach: take Mastodon & co., I see sooo many new domains federating, posts upon posts on odd tlds, look above, I just noticed it's `.lgbt` that's wtf, it exists dammit On Matrix? Dunno... everybody recommends matrix.org and only that ✏

"benefits over XMPP"? Meaning it can't connect to XMPP? That's a -1 right there... 😜

wow, "matrix" definitely triggers something in here...

Licaon_Kter, I have news for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.wtf