XMPP Service Operators - 2021-06-15

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  25. xorman rob: thanks, that was helpful
  26. xorman so ejabberd supports clustering, but are MUCs clusterized too?
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  96. Holger No (only in the $$$ edition).
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  118. x0n Are there more than a handful of commercial ejabberds in operation? If so, what do they do?
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  142. Licaon_Kter x0n: Nintendo, Fortnite(?), Nike, stuff
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  155. Holger Yes certainly way more than a handful.
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  158. Holger Some that I've been involved with: Normal (closed) chat solutions, gaming chat, IoT, radio streaming.
  159. Martin Radio streaming?
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  163. Holger It's used for controlling the streams, communicating metadata and such.
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  165. Holger (What radio station is to be streamed, what song is currently playing, …)
  166. Martin Interesting. Can you say what radio service this is?
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  168. Holger Not a station, a piece of Windows software, plus some hardware internet radio thingies.
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  184. x0n Licaon_Kter, Holger: p cool. Do these operators blog or something?
  185. ernst.on.tour Isn't this done via MP3-Tag ?
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  189. Licaon_Kter x0n: no, private commercial servers tied to their products, not chat per se
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  191. x0n Yeah well, maybe even Nintendo admins like to blog? :)
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  197. Licaon_Kter x0n: Fortnite uses Tigase Also https://www.process-one.net/blog/ejabberd-nintendo-switch-npns/
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  216. Kris > Fortnite uses Tigase interesting trivia... that makes it userbase much bigger than I though.
  217. Ge0rG FYI: https://xmpp.org/uses/gaming
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  219. Kris yes I knew fortnight like many Unreal engine games use xmpp, but not that it was specifically tigase for fortnight
  220. Ge0rG Somebody should PR the page
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  246. 404.city >Licaon_Kter‎: x0n: Fortnite uses Tigase Tigase fork ejabberd?
  247. Kris and rewrote it in java /s ?
  248. Licaon_Kter 404.city: no
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  251. x0n Licaon_Kter: thanks :)
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  315. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth Hey I guys. I have heard there is charges on me for being a Nazi?
  316. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth Which of cause is slander and untrue.
  317. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth Just check my private website!
  318. Ellenor Malik wheet.
  319. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth https://xmpp.404.city:5280/usershare/83a73b85b2e15ece31f78e10b25886723d8906cf/WLLi9aWLhcecWRbeCFjZaVbCsC6MYIUVgz4t34F8/Screenshot_2021-06-15-14-33-12.png
  320. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth Thia is from my video player. Private on the topic of Nazism
  321. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth I speak against Nazism!
  322. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth I just heard you ban rooms for having me there. On false charges.
  323. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth That is really not fair for these guys!
  324. x0n what is this I don't even
  325. vanitasvitae 🍿
  326. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth Well heard you where banning rooms because of me.
  327. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth And because of false charges on me thatcan be refuted in minutes.
  328. rob 🍿
  329. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth You can check the nazi section for yourself if thecharges on me is that I am. Roman Catholic Nazi!
  330. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth https://jesusisgodalmighty.life/uvp.php
  331. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth Free to use for anyone go check the Nazi section yourself.
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  333. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth And some of those videos on my page are suppressed by the Catholics by the way.
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  336. Ellenor Malik um
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  338. ernst.on.tour Wrong chat, speak to your admin or the admin of the blocked muc-hoster
  339. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth So clearly I am not Nazi. My whole facebook page is puplic as well. Search Darkijah, thats me.
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  342. x0n would you mind taking a selfie of us?
  343. vanitasvitae 😛
  344. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth Well as I understand the whole search page are blokking rooms having me.
  345. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth https://search.jabber.network/ is saud they censor any room I am in.
  346. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth Said
  347. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth For being a Nazi
  348. Sam plonk please
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  350. vanitasvitae 🍾️
  351. vanitasvitae this one?
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  355. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth Is this platform as wicked as the other "decentealized" platform. Is this how you censor things based on lies an force admins to ban people on false charges?
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  357. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth The Tooth thing which name alludes me.
  358. MattJ Hi there, this chat is for XMPP service operators to discuss the XMPP network, not to determine peoples' character and beliefs
  359. MattJ If you have problems with specific services, please contact them directly
  360. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth Well what do I know I was just contacted by an admin about yhese things.
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  362. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth So literally forcing every room to ban me if they wanna be on the search page on false charges.
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  364. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth As a newbie I don't know what you guys know about in regards of operation. But I do kniw I am not a Nazi.
  365. Kris if you would stop spamming every channel that would certainly help
  366. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth Kris: that is not yhe charge as far as I know!
  367. MattJ The listing policy for search.jabber.network is here: https://search.jabber.network/tos#listing-policy
  368. Ellenor Malik Jfc..
  369. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth The charge is that I am tols I am Nazi.
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  372. x0n JesusGod-Pope666.Truth: 3 Our Father and 2 Ave Maria, you're absolved
  373. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth Ahhh i guess the same polacy as the other "dicentalized" system. Don't abide with our depravity of covonant then you are out.
  374. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth What is the n.. Mastodone thats the name if the sick platform.
  375. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth Seems this platform has some of the same issues.
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  377. vanitasvitae Thats free speech. If you say something stupid, people can show you the door.
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  379. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth Free speech is free speech?
  380. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth Free speech what is free speech?
  381. rob That's decentralized software, the best part of it. You only get to be heard if I want to hear you
  382. moparisthebest JesusGod-Pope666.Truth, feel free to start your own server + muc where no one can censor you, that's the power of open standards and federation :)
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  385. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth To force all admins to block me? Is that free speech or tyranny?
  386. moparisthebest xmpp doesn't have a protocol to force other admins to do anything
  387. MattJ Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything
  388. vanitasvitae Tyranny would be if we'd have to listen to you .P
  389. moparisthebest I don't even know how that'd work...
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  392. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth moparisthebest: but they do. I have just been tols by an admin he needa to ban me.
  393. moparisthebest BoX ? bullets-over-xmpp ?
  394. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth Because hia room will not be on the search if He does not ban me.
  395. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth Because his room will not be on the search if He does not ban me.
  396. MattJ I linked the room listing policy already, your name is not mentioned
  397. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth That is forcing censorship hust like mastodone with there covinant.
  398. JesusWarrior moparisthebes His chat will be excluded from the search https://search.jabber.network/ chats for fake reasone Nazism
  399. moparisthebest you can run your own server with mastodon too by the way, I run my own pleroma
  400. moparisthebest I think you've made the mistake of thinking anyone here cares who other people ban or for why
  401. vanitasvitae 🍿️🍿️ now there are two of them
  402. moparisthebest this isn't the XMPP service complaint channel
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  405. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth moparisthebest: yea but you will be disowned by all others if you don't follow the mastodon bullshit covenant just look at Gab.
  406. moparisthebest only complaining about XMPP in general is allowed in here...
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  409. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth And now the same is on XMPP
  410. MattJ Ok, this discussion has run its course... reminder that this chat is for XMPP operators to discuss the XMPP network
  411. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth You have a service that removes rooma if they have me in there.
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  413. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth You have a service that removes rooms if they have me in there.
  414. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth This is a serious issue of the network overall.
  415. jonas’ no it’s no
  416. jonas’ no it’s not
  417. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth If they can do it with they can do it to others based on lies and slander.
  418. jonas’ run your own instance of sjn if you don’t like my policies
  419. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth If they can do it with me they can do it to others based on lies and slander.
  420. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth jonas’: your policy to ban rooms from the service who has me in them because of falsw charges?
  421. jonas’ no
  422. jonas’ the policy is written on the website
  423. Sam mods: please just ban people if they argue, it doesn't help to keep this discussion going.
  424. jonas’ if you have issues with that, feel free to contact me using the contact data there
  425. jonas’ but this is not the place.
  426. MattJ You've been shown the listing policy for search.jabber.network, you've been told that nobody is forcing anyone to ban you, and you've been told the topic of this chat
  427. JesusGod-Pope666.Truth Sam: yea but you are notthe one getting banned are you?
  428. moparisthebest to be clear, his service can ban people because of the color shirt they decided to wear last tuesday if he wants...
  429. jonas’ ^_^
  430. moparisthebest if you don't like it, run your own
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  432. moparisthebest just whatever you do, stop whining about it here, no one here cares
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  435. x0n 🍿️
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  439. MattJ Sam, if we banned everyone who argued... :)
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  442. Sam you know what I mean. Argued against a mod when told something is off topic.
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  444. Sam Banning all arguing would probably not work well :)
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  447. Sam Point is, it doesn't help to have a concept of on-topic if we don't enforce it. Just telling them multiple times doesn't help and just makes this room continue to be a real pain to follow because it's hard to separate the real information from the noise.
  448. MattJ Sam, if banning was the end of it, sure
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  450. vanitasvitae I apologize for taking part in the off-topic discussion, but I just could not resist...
  451. Sam vanitasvitae: I can never resist feeding the trolls either…
  452. moparisthebest trolling vs explaining is sometimes a fine line but it looks to me like no one crossed it this time...
  453. pintosesk Perhaps an XEP could help with that?
  454. Sam Whatever you call it, it doesn't belong in this room.
  455. Sam I hate that I keep having to leave this room, possibly missing valueable stuff, but discussions like this keep happening and then I end up with dozens of notifications. I don't know why it's this room in particular, but it's lost a lot of its utility because of it.
  456. jonas’ Sam, uhh ... I think your client is at fault for showing you notifications for all messages in this room ;)
  457. moparisthebest I think this is maybe the second time in 3 months or something, and this one was way shorter than the first
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  459. Holger Maybe this room should be de-listed from s.j.n!
  460. Sam Maybe so, I'm just asking that it be cut off sooner next time if possible, I don't think that's unreasonable. I mean, obviously if no mods are around it can't be, but if they are it's not worth trying to convince these people.
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  462. vanitasvitae Holger, or require some proof-of-adminship 😛
  463. Sam Give them a warnig, and if they persist then kick them or ban them or whatever you do.
  464. MattJ vanitasvitae, we already have that, kinda
  465. MattJ Admins are auto-verified via XEP-0152 and given membership status
  466. MattJ I also manually granted membership to XSF members (can't guarantee I didn't miss anyone though)
  467. Sam huh, I didn't know that, that's really cool
  468. vanitasvitae ah neat!
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  470. MattJ I'd rather keep the room open if we can, but if the need arises I'll mute non-members (as was necessary in the past)
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  473. ernst.on.tour Sam: > I don't know why it's this room in particular, but it's lost a lot of its utility because of it. 👍
  474. MattJ But I also don't want to present that as anything more that an assistance to moderators... just running an XMPP server doesn't grant you an absolute right to speak here
  475. jonas’ vanitasvitae, that’s what authbot does :)
  476. MattJ I'm always happy to be pinged (here or privately) if someone feels moderation is needed, relying on my to stumble across the room (I'm in 70+ channels) isn't always going to be timely
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  478. jonas’ .oO(poezio feature request: heat index on rooms indicating the current message rate)
  479. MattJ Oooh
  480. jonas’ bonus if it counts the occurence of highlights and how balanced that is
  481. jonas’ (the more "incoming" highlights a nickname gets vs. outgoing it generates, the more heated)
  482. MattJ XEP-xxxx: Consistent heat index generation
  483. jonas’ hah
  484. moparisthebest jonas’ just nerd-sniped himself...
  485. Holger Add the logic to the bot, if the index rises above 42, remove voice from non-members for 24h. So MattJ can just watch and drink coffee.
  486. Holger Case closed.
  487. MattJ I like this
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  489. MattJ Except the coffee part
  490. Holger Ah sorry you're British of course.
  491. Sam Sorry, too late, it's already been decided, you are now a coffee drinker!
  492. Sam We'll be sure to research your preferences next time before making a decision
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  496. ernst.on.tour Why 42 ? Couldn't it be 23 for first strike ?
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  499. Licaon_Kter ernst.on.tour: 42 is the answer, let it go
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  506. rob It's always the answer
  507. ernst.on.tour I knew 42 is the ultimativ answer but nobody seems to know 23 I guess
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  510. vanitasvitae https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/23_(film) ?
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  519. ernst.on.tour Yes, but also Illuminati or "to make a 23 Skidoo" Don't know if Karl Koch is known outside germany
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  521. jonas’ speaking about on-topic… :)
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  561. x0n karl koch is definitely on topic because if you talk talk koch, you need to mention tron. and he was building a crypto-phone (so gp to xmpp so to say) when he was murdered *and* it has 23 all over it
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  614. Ellenor Malik > moparisthebest wrote: > you can run your own server with mastodon too by the way, I run my own pleroma pleroma has abuse features
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  621. moparisthebest I'm interested in what you mean but I'll ask in the offtopic channel since it doesn't really fit here :)
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  623. Sam I tried setting up pleroma recently so that I could do some dev work on a mastodon/xmpp related plugin, but its dev setup had a *lot* of steps and I had problems with it. Finally got it running, but it reminded me why I don't like to run anything erlangy even though beam is a great VM.
  624. Sam (or anything that requires a VM; it always ends up with tons of config/steps for something that should have just been "create a config file and run an executable")
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  627. Sam so I didn't get a good look at pleroma anyways; I'll have to try it again at some point.
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  629. moparisthebest Sam, I run mine using https://memleak.eu/sn0w/pleroma-docker been great
  630. 404.city Does anyone know the system characteristics for running Mastodon or Pleroma? XMPP is light on resources and can be supported by donations.
  631. moparisthebest pleroma is elixir, it's light, mastodon is ruby...
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  719. rob Pleroma is indeed very light, currently using about 250mb ram and it's running in docker
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  726. Kris 404.city, https://blog.windfluechter.net/2021/05/01/the-fediverse-what-about-ressources/
  727. Kris actually Mastodon seems to scale better then expected, but Pleroma should still be better
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  730. Kris I recently red somewhere that memory consuption of Pleroma is 4-5x lower on typical small instances
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  735. Licaon_Kter rob: > Pleroma is indeed very light, currently using about 250mb ram and it's running in docker Usercount?
  736. Licaon_Kter rob: > Pleroma is indeed very light, currently using about 250mb ram and it's running in docker User count?
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  749. 404.city Kris‎: At the moment I have about $ 20 a month in donations, if you break that down into months when there are no donations at all. In total, we get 1 cent of donation per 1 active user.
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  763. Kris yeah tht is not much to work with indeed
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  780. rob > rob: > User count? 2 lol
  781. Kris might be just the base use... more nteresting how it scales per user
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  785. Kris I think Mastodon has a quite high base use, but then scales relatively well per extra user
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  811. Licaon_Kter rob: 250Mb sounds like a lot for only 2
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  816. x0n > I'm interested in what you mean but I'll ask in the offtopic channel since it doesn't really fit here :) Which one is that?
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  842. rob > rob: 250Mb sounds like a lot for only 2 That's the whole process of the container, I don't know how to dig into the memory details inside. Other than top but it isn't working well on my phone
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  849. moparisthebest Licaon_Kter, XMPP has spoiled you, webapps eat memory :P
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  897. mjk x0n: xmpp:conversations-offtopic-reloaded@conference.trashserver.net?join probably
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