XMPP Service Operators - 2021-06-25

Channel guidelines are now live: https://xmpp.org/community/channels/operators

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heh, nce touch with the automatic membership authbot

Now I feel super important running my own server 😀

:)

o:

Ok, I need to fix the dark theme for this page, the titles are completely unreadable.

noticed that too, haven’t found the time yet to address that

on the bright side (pun not intended) the page makes perfect sense even without the headings, so there’s that

What's the difference between a member (per authbot) and participant in the room? Or is being a member not visible?

NM, I figured it out

I'm not sure there's any consistency at all between how different clients display all that

I'm using C atm, I can see participants where some are a member, others 'no affiliation'

@rob role vs affiliation?

Member is like how some channels use voice on IRC. (Am i interpreting correctly?)

Wojtek: ya, that's where I sorted it out ✏

> Ok, I need to fix the dark theme for this page, the titles are completely unreadable. I can read the titles in dark mode. They could certainly be lighter but they are readable on my phone

Member could read/write, no affiliation has readonly as I remember right.

member vs. no affiliation only matters when the room is set to "moderated" mode. in that case, what ernst.on.tour says applies.

Makes sense

Dino has Owner/Admin/Member/User (that order) and I don't know how that maps to whatever Conversations calls them

Owner/Admin/Member/Visitor you mean ? Thats the role and rights are linked against it Owner/Admin would be Moderator Member are Member and no affinitilation are Visitors

Never find a diff between Owner or Admin, both are Mods

moparisthebest: ^

owner can destroy?

Conversations has Owner (Moderator)/Admin (Moderator)/Member (Participant)/No affiliation (Participant)

And I believe that's the difference between owner and admin, being able to destroy

so neither follow this guideline https://docs.modernxmpp.org/client/groupchat/#terminology and it doesn't have language for member

as well they shouldn't

That guideline is kinda bad

Fix it

i don't understand very well what is written here, but probably it can affect all German XMPP servers https://www.sueddeutsche.de/wirtschaft/cybersicherheitsstrategie-seehofer-1.5332538

lets see... it basically talks about mandatory backdoors in encrypted email and messengers, similar to other such current initiatives in the EU.

it's a draft law proposal

there have been many similar ones over the years

:/

Fuck the EU

I think it is mainly a problem since so many people host their xmpp servers on cheap German VPS providers

ala Hetzner?

yes

Mines in my house 😊

rob, yes ideally that would prevent any such stuff

but the VPS providers... well they might be forced to prohibit hosting encryped messengers since they can't really install backdoors in all of them themselves. but it is all speculation at this pont

a is gone.

*point

That draft is ridiculous and will not be passed in that form.

Ellenor&c Bjornsdottir, :(

Still a remainer, but god if i'm not disillusioned

a, there is no content this article .. seehofer is a scarecrow

Chris, new nick ?

ernst.on.tour, I noticed that people are looking for responsible for the zp1.net server so I call myself now this way

now nobody can say that it is not known who administrates zp1.net

Ah, okay, now you will be informed if someone query about zp1.net

my english is so bad that even i sometimes don't understand what i wanted to say afterwards

Hopefully noone will scan for nicks to spam your server.

my server is absolutly not interesting for spammers because we are boring ppl

so blabber.im is closing down

Question to blabber admin: Why not to have proposed for someone here to take care about a migration plan? Nothing's mandatory but it would probably hurt a (small?) part of the XMPP community.

not so small... like 3000 active users. but it seems like this has been discussed and no way forward was found. but I don't have any real details ✏

>5000 online users

did they at least sent a motd to all users?

xorman: no

Martin: I also think is many more

emus, based on?

A handover to another admin would be ideal, there are many candidates and even offers. I don't understand the reasoning. It hurts XMPP though every time a large server goes down in this way :(

https://stats.blabber.im/d/000000020/blabber-im-overview?orgId=3&refresh=30s

you can go back in time and see

Kris, looks to hover around 3000 online users at max.

yes

and given that most probably use the always on blabber.im app, that is probably a good estimate of the total non-abandoned accounts

MattJ: yes, based on stats

So ~5000 monthly active users, ~3000 peak simultaneous connections

We need to build an account migrator, export your data from any xmpp account and import to another later. As a bonus you can make backups.

isn't snikket working on that?

Maybe an option to notify contacts before the move with your new account

Oh maybe, I'm not aware

If so, I'll help

That would be great

But I think its not entirely the same always. I know many friends having push notification issues and are not logged in cirrently

anyway a bad story for xmpp here is a good one on the other hand: https://github.com/UWPX/UWPX-Client/pull/159