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  391. MattJ blabber.im is now officially offline
  392. jonas’ RIP
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  401. neox Wow... That was quick
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  413. rob https://xmpp.loranger.xyz/upload/pWE7AAgnxLNDO8Ez/LfF1vBJzSE-YIcOIJ5Wb9A.png
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  499. moparisthebest Arguably better than how Google did it, leave an unmaintained pile of poorly running servers running for years
  500. qy Apparently it still connects
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  507. Menel Not for me
  508. Menel Bis the Website is online again
  509. Menel But the Website is online again
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  513. Ellenor Malik > moparisthebest wrote: > Arguably better than how Google did it, leave an unmaintained pile of poorly running servers running for years ?
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  521. 4223 (private) Ellenor Malik: google talk
  522. Ellenor Malik 4223 (private): ye
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  524. moparisthebest Ellenor Malik: I'm convinced 100% of people who say "I've used XMPP, it's terrible" only tried pidgin connected to Google which had no XMPP features after about 2004 or so, it was indeed terrible
  525. Ellenor Malik > moparisthebest wrote: > Ellenor Malik: I'm convinced 100% of people who say "I've used XMPP, it's terrible" only tried pidgin connected to Google which had no XMPP features after about 2004 or so, it was indeed terrible hmmm maybe
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  541. rozzin moparisthebest: should make a point of getting every XMPP operator / user who tries to appeal to familiarity by saying "if you've ever used Google Talk, you've already experienced XMPP"... to stop doing that.
  542. moparisthebest Ew who's doing that? Are they also recommending pidgin?
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  549. rozzin moparisthebest: example at https://jmp.chat/faq/#jabber_client > Jabber is long-standing, widely-used, and privacy-focused. If you have ever used Google Chat, HipChat, the pre-2016 Facebook Messenger, WhatsApp, Kik, Movim, Android Push Notifications, or a private company chat server, then you have used XMPP.
  550. rozzin Extra demerits for using "privacy-focused" in the same breath as "Google" and "Facebook"....
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  555. Ellenor Malik Jabber is long-standing and widely used. Not privacy-focussed by itself
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  602. Licaon_Kter rozzin: oh, is that hosted somewhere?
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  607. BaBa What is the reason that blabber.im got offline?
  608. Licaon_Kter BaBa: something about a corrupted DB and lack of will/resources to continue, iirc
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  611. BaBa Licaon_Kter: oohh. All right
  612. xorman is the app still using it as default server?
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  619. MattJ I think the app has been updated already
  620. Харпер latest app update removed it
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  637. xorman so which is the default now?
  638. Харпер I don't think it has one
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  642. Ellenor Malik > Licaon_Kter wrote: > BaBa: something about a corrupted DB and lack of will/resources to continue, iirc shame they didn't put out a casting call for manpower?
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  645. Харпер to what gain? were people donating? was the app paid? running a service for free takes a toll on ya
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  651. MattJ They were receiving plenty of donations, and they had multiple offers of support from other admins (e.g. to take all the users and run the XMPP service for them).
  652. MattJ I don't know what the reasoning was behind the decision to not accept those offers. However I really encourage any admin of a public server to be prepared for the day you no longer want to continue. Have a plan, and please let it include notifying your users and giving them their data.
  653. Ellenor Malik yes.
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  658. xorman the whole pix-art/blabber project seems to be run very unprofessionally
  659. Ellenor Malik maybe, yeah.
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  662. alacer xorman: No one knows the reason but having used it, it was quite professionally configured and pointing finger is the world's easiest job....
  663. Licaon_Kter xorman: I would not group them like that Kriztan did not close development of the app.
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  666. xorman well shutting it down the way they did does not seem professional
  667. Ellenor Malik it's not.
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  669. Ellenor Malik but that's on dominion
  670. Ellenor Malik not on kriztan
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  672. MattJ I always like to assume good faith. It is possible for example that there was some legal or other situation that can't be readily disclosed. It would explain many of the choices. But... speculation is pointless :)
  673. xorman I've also seen some messy commits
  674. MattJ What's done is done, and I think we just need to learn from it and move on
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  676. MattJ For example, services with more stable entities behind them. Something like what Libera.chat are doing for their new network. That kind of structure will outlast any single individual. Unfortunately it's a lot of work to organize and do it well.
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