XMPP Service Operators - 2021-07-17


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  71. mieum any ideas why the xmpp compliance tester thinks some xeps aren't supported on my server (even though the relevant modules are in operation)?
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  79. rob Depends on the server and configuration
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  81. mieum specifically, it is muc-related modules (mam and vcard). any ideas why those in particular woudln't get recognized by the test?
  82. mieum they are working perfectly fine, and I can't see anything in my config that would keep the test from recognizing them...
  83. rob I'd have to see the configuration
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  92. rob Also you didn't say what server
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  94. mieum treeblue.space
  95. rob Sorry I mean server software
  96. mieum oh haha
  97. mieum prosody
  98. rob For example I'm running https://compliance.conversations.im/server/colloquy.ca/
  99. mieum 11.9
  100. rob And it's a compliant as I want it
  101. rob So if you can paste your config somewhere I should be able to help you out
  102. mieum that looks about the level of compliance i'm shooting for
  103. mieum give me a sec
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  105. rob Or, here's mine https://git.loranger.xyz/rob/gists/src/branch/mistress/prosody-config
  106. rob Hopefully up to date lol
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  110. mieum thanks rob
  111. mieum https://ttm.sh/tFW.lua
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  116. pintosesk It's in Lua!
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  122. Ellenor Malik i need to learn lua
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  126. rob That's pretty strange mieum
  127. rob It looks ok to me
  128. rob And I see you have DNS records for the subdomain
  129. rob I would ask in xmpp:prosody@conference.prosody.im
  130. mieum yeah, pretty weird.
  131. mieum i just asked about another, possibly related problem there
  132. mieum :b
  133. rob Cool
  134. rob You also reminded me I should actually set limits
  135. mieum ah nice haha
  136. mieum the ones in my config were set already, so I just left them :b
  137. rob Ya I upgraded to 0.11.9 from 0.11.7 I think, so it wasn't default yet
  138. mieum ah I see
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  205. MattJ mieum, I think the MUC tests may be failing because you have `restrict_room_creation = true` - this would prevent the tester from creating a test room
  206. MattJ Unrelated, but there is a typo in your abuse contact email
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  208. MattJ rob, you should remove this disco_items option: https://git.loranger.xyz/rob/gists/src/branch/mistress/prosody-config/colloquy.ca.cfg.lua#L29
  209. mieum thanks MattJ, that makes sense! and good catch on the typo!
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  212. MattJ rob, also in your main file the contact info is wrong, it should look like mieum's (i.e. the values should be URIs, you're just listing the same non-URI twice, there's no indication if it's an XMPP or email address)
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  214. MattJ Oh, I see you have two hosts. Instead of removing that disco_items, just drop the conference.colloquy.ca entry from it, then move the option to under the `VirtualHost "colloquy.ca"` section, rather than under the MUC component
  215. MattJ Not sure how it's passing the test currently
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  273. Gooute hi
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  275. Gooute I'm very new to XMPP. Where should I go to discuss client programs? I've a chatroom community for a few years and I'd like to find which works best for my members, but I don't have the time to set them all up and test them myself.
  276. Gooute I'm very new to XMPP. Where should I go to discuss client programs? I've had a chatroom community for a few years and I'd like to find which works best for my members, but I don't have the time to set them all up and test them myself.
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  279. Licaon_Kter Gooute: Offtopic maybe? :) else..per client rooms xmpp:conversations-offtopic-reloaded@conference.trashserver.net?join
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  282. Gooute thank you
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  339. Menel If you happen to be German there is also xmpp:conversations@conference.jabber.de?join
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  349. kuba_ Gooute: https://search.jabber.network/rooms/1
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  360. zp1.net I don't think that sending the people away to get low quality answers is a good idea.
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  364. Menel The question was where to discuss client programs. And in the suggested rooms will not be lesser quality answers then here
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  366. zp1.net I think we should make something like a stackoverflow for xmpp questions. Then people should ask less in rooms and more on this site.
  367. Menel I don't think everything in operators is the vest solution. General xmpp rooms are important. The German one is the one I posted. There is always discussion about different clients. An English one would be xmpp:jabber@conference.jabber.org?join
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  369. Menel Joinjabber to the rescue
  370. zp1.net Yes but we need a q&a site
  371. Menel Joinjabber would be a good website for that, you could suggest that to them
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  536. rob MattJ: ya thanks, I had since made changes to colloquy including removing disco items. But hadn't fixed the contract URIs so thanks for the reminder 😊
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  560. Licaon_Kter zp1.net: who sent who away?
  561. zp1.net Licaon_Kter, they didn't directly send them away, they give em a link to another room
  562. Licaon_Kter Yes...because Clients is...general
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  570. zp1.net Licaon_Kter, following this topic we make for 5000 topics 5000 rooms?
  571. zp1.net a coock, a plate, a fireplace ?
  572. Licaon_Kter zp1.net: yes, either we specialize or all rooms are offtopic rooms
  573. rob I think you're overreacting, they asked for a place to discuss something and were given somewhere
  574. zp1.net okay :))
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  581. rob mieum: congrats getting things sorted
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  584. mieum thanks rob! I appreciate you taking a lot for me 🙂
  585. mieum I'm considering following your example to use the invites module for registration
  586. rob No trouble
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  590. rob Yes the invites is a good model, they way I have it configured any user can create an invite for more users
  591. zp1.net don't shoot : I closed the topic 5 days ago, Licaon_Kter opened it again ...
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  593. mieum zp1.net :b
  594. rob I'll update the repo today with my current config of you like. I also have Converse JS setup
  595. rob I'll update the repo today with my current config if you like. I also have Converse JS setup
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  597. mieum oh nice, i'll keep an eye on it then.
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  599. mieum thanks for the tips
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  604. zp1.net I was thinking about a crazy idea: integrating a server and a client in a software product, so everybody has his own server and a client onboard. Aint that a neat idea?
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  606. Licaon_Kter zp1.net: mobile is tricky
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  608. rob Like a truely decentralized chat
  609. Licaon_Kter zp1.net: see Jami or Briar, experience is hit and miss
  610. rob Scuttlebutt is like that, except you end up with the matrix issue. All participants replicate everything they see
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  613. rob Not IM of course, but the general idea
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  615. zp1.net Licaon_Kter, neah ehm.. jami and briar are decentralized, I talk about federation ...
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  617. Licaon_Kter zp1.net: solve decentralized first, you get federation as a bonus, also...federation is obsolete then
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  619. rob But you would need to borrow from the decentralized mobile ideas to get a mobile server/client to federate. No static IP etc
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  622. zp1.net rob, there is dyndns ... we could work with domains
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  625. rob zp1.net: that's true, but I think there will be issues with ports. Mobile network providers typically don't allow a lot of open ports
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  627. rob Although I don't really know, networking is a bit of of my area of expertise
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  629. rob Although I don't really know, networking is a bit out of my area of expertise
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  631. zp1.net rob, I do not want to turn off the actual xmpp network, I just thought about a software product that contains a server and a client for people with large aluminum hats :))
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  635. mieum zp1.net, what about tox?
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  638. zp1.net mieum, funny, haven't seen it until now :)) lets test it :))
  639. mieum oh wow, it might be the kind of thing you were looking for
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  653. zp1.net mieum, I was not looking for something like it but I thought that it would be the perfect software for some users
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  668. croax Briar, Tox, they're decentralized from upper layer protocol scope but they're bound to client/server model from Tor. I think with the currents rotted NATs from ipv4 we're stuck to at least "relay nodes" as intermediates.
  669. croax Briar, Tox, they're P2P from upper layer protocol scope but they're bound to client/server model from Tor. I think with the currents rotted NATs from ipv4 we're stuck to at least "relay nodes" as intermediates.
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  674. Menel There is only one chat for aluminum hats and that is https://github.com/maqp/tfc/ But there was this guy with the ejabberd on android right Licaon_Kter ? In the oftopic room and I read about someone with a prosody+client for Linux
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  680. Licaon_Kter Menel: experiments with container Linux on phone w/ ejabberd
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  688. croax He could only if IPv6 on mobile. They registering a domain per client is not a solution (nor depend on another 3rd party service like Dyn DNS)
  689. croax He could only if IPv6 on mobile. Then registering a domain per client is not a solution (nor depend on another 3rd party service like Dyn DNS)
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  691. croax (amending on IPv6 only: he used a VPN for V4)
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  709. southerntofu jonas’, hello would it be possible to have a GET param for room language on search.jabber.network/search? we're thinking of integrating a chatroom search form on joinjabber.org homepage
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  711. jonas’ southerntofu: https://github.com/horazont/muchopper/issues/44
  712. southerntofu ah thanks sorry for duplicate
  713. jonas’ southerntofu: can you add to that issue the note that a hidden get (without much ui) would already be useful?
  714. southerntofu is there a muchopper chatroom where such things are discussed?
  715. southerntofu yes sure
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  717. jonas’ southerntofu, ironically, no :)
  718. southerntofu done
  719. southerntofu funny! what's the favorite place to talk about muchopper/search.jabber.network then?
  720. jonas’ nobody's talking about it much I suppose :)
  721. jonas’ many people ping me 1:1, or here, or in any of the other general XMPP (technical) MUCs, I'm in most of them anyway ;)
  722. southerntofu personally i'm very sympathetic to thematic rooms :)
  723. jonas’ but I've got waaay too many already
  724. southerntofu that's why we need (work)spaces client UX? :)
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  794. rob Yes, that's coming in gajim right?
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