XMPP Service Operators - 2021-07-31

> Martin escribió: > Another type of chipping. Got my 5g chips. 😂 Finally, people enjoying it

> You didn't got one left one right? > It's better for receiver diversity! i think you meant MIMO

jonas’: yes, strange translation 😇

zp1.net: the rules are in XEP-0156 (BOSH & WS), XEP-0157 (contact address for admin) and SRV in DNS. So...can *you* please obey them and NOT ask for more rules first?

And has the advantage it can be renewed to dodge spam. This is great, this is far better than the postmaster address because functionality is just lacking from the start in e-mail scheme.

But agree on clients that should provide (or easier) access to it. That's the only issue.

> ‎Licaon_Kter‎: zp1.net: the rules are in XEP-0156 (BOSH & WS), XEP-0157 (contact address for admin) and SRV in DNS. So...can *you* please obey them and NOT ask for more rules first? This is the law we have to obey in Germany https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/tmg/ And if your server does not block German users, you must also comply with this law worldwide. If your server is not accessible from Germany, you are fine. That's why Google Amazon etc ..., for example, lock out different countries from different services, because there are laws in those countries that they do not comply with. So if you don't want to comply with the 5th Telemedia Act, you have to lock out Germany ;-)

I'm sure you don't have to comply with German law if you are outside Germany and make money only outside Germany. That would be ridiculous That can't work.

Outside Germany.. I meant outside EU

Yes it can, if you sell to European customers. That's an idea also embedded and applied in EU antitrust law.

How do they enforce it

Basic idea is: they fine you and if you don't comply, they would not allow you to do any business in Europe, maybe denying access until you comply or anything like that. I just know that this is the basic idea, I don't know how far they would escalate it for a small xmpp service provider.

I think they literally would not care.

But they aren't doing business in EU in the first place, good luck

Oh it was 0157, I couldn't remember if it was in an xep or if another group (the anti span one maybe) had suggested it

I knew I saw somewhere the email for inquiries about the xmpp service

moparisthebest: Basic idea is a whitelist. Any/Everybody how is offer a webpage for eu-citizen must agree to GDPR, therefor for example the NewYork-Times dropped offering their page to europian IPs Now some german politicans are very happy about it and forces a "porn"-filter. If your side doesn't offer an label which promisse your content isn't sexual, your side will be blocked in contentfilter for persons under 18years, which have to be implemented by OS.

We are on the way for are clean german internet. Something we couldn't see do not exist.

This is madness.

Haha

feels ironically Russian.

or Chinese.

Are we writing things about the server here?

> Are we writing things about the server here? About serverS There is no "the server"

The conversations are on topic until they aren't

Can I open a server so that messages are deleted from the server after a certain day

Bung, most servers allow you to configure the message retention period, yes

As an admin, at least

So on the server I opened as an example, can messages be deleted after 30 days

I see the nytimes just fine from germany

No VPN or something

Bung, yes, if you configure that

I think we have no lawyers here, so we can probably give up debating the validity of EU law as it applies to non-EU entities. It's a tricky topic, and I don't think we'll solve it :)

> MattJ wrote: > Bung, yes, if you configure that Thanks!

In ~OT news, I survived my first network outage. I did not like it, but at least it was out of my control. (My hosts host's network blend, whatever that is) ✏

In ~OT news, I survived my first network outage. I did not like it, but at least it was out of my control. (My host's host's network blend, whatever that is) ✏

> I think we have no lawyers here, so we can probably give up debating the validity of EU law as it applies to non-EU entities. It's a tricky topic, and I don't think we'll solve it :) MattJ: No lawyer, but with my minor in public law I do have an educated idea of how the EU might reason, I think. ^^