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  689. rozzin I wonder if I should add XMPP service to my "social networking for dogs on the Internet" service. Do you guys suppose there's a ‘market’ for that?
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  706. Licaon_Kter rozzin: they can woof at eachother via voice messages?
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  708. rozzin Licaon_Kter: if I added XMPP, I guess they could.
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  723. Ellenor Bjornsd. rozzin: Do your dogs use calls and stuff?
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  757. rozzin Ellenor Bjornsd.: I guess that's basically what I'm asking, is "if I build it, will they come".... There's no XMPP service on wherethedogsare.com so far....
  758. Ellenor Bjornsd. =)
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  763. mjk rozzin: not to answer your inquiry, but fyi your site seems to lack http->https redirect
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  820. neox Hi fellow operators! As you may know, I am an operator of the chapril.org service. We are currently experiencing difficulties with some sporadic users using Blabber.im: unwanted invitations to private chat rooms. Have you ever noticed this? Does anyone have any idea what's causing the problem? (We use ejabberd on chapril.org)
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  823. neox Precisely : they are invited again in a room where they were already.
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  830. rozzin mjk: yeah, I guess it's been "finally time to do that" for maybe a couple of years now.... All of the `important parts' have been https-only since the beginning, but I initially left off the HTTP-level wholesale redirect because it made sites like that look _less secure_ and even resulted in people telling me "your website is _broken_" due to how browsers of the era all handled mixed-content warnings.
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  833. rozzin Similar reasoning for why ejabberd made their example configuration block OMEMO....
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  839. mjk So it's more complicated than I imagined :)
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  844. rozzin Now, some day I might even make my XMPP server refuse s2s without TLS....
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  847. MattJ Only 8 years late... https://xmpp.org/2013/11/xmpp-ubiquitous-encryption-a-manifesto/ :)
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  849. rozzin mjk: This article gives some insight into how big (and longstanding) the issue was, and how the situation finally _started_ getting better in late 2015: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/10/chrome-finally-kills-off-the-http-https-mixed-content-warning/ (IIRC there was a more in-depth article titled something like "HTTPS is great, you should start using now so that we can eventually use it"... which I can't find right now. That was an important part of making Let's Encrypt actually viable/appealing when it finally launched the year after that.
  850. rozzin MattJ: *I know*... 😣️
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  863. rozzin MattJ: the thing that I should really be ashamed of is that forcing TLS all the time was in actuality probably close to _infinitely more viable_ for XMPP in the 2013-2016 timeframe than it was for websites; but it was hard for me to let myself _believe that_ as while looking at the extent of the "trying to secure things just makes them look broken and more scary" breakage on the WWW.
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  865. rozzin MattJ: having found this MUC actually goes a long way toward allaying those fears.
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  877. Licaon_Kter neox: pitchum already posted in ejabberd right?
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  887. mjk rozzin: ah yes, now I remember those half-suspicious, half-working https+http abominations. I was in 2013-2016 too! It just all seems _so far in the past_. Gotta read your link for perverse nostalgia
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  889. neox Licaon_Kter: yes probably, didn't see
  890. neox We try to collect a maximum amount of information everywhere lol
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  923. Licaon_Kter neox: let's wait for ejabberd devs thoughts
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  1058. Licaon_Kter MattJ: care to update https://prosody.im/security/advisory_20210722/ from "no release" to "latest fixes it"?
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