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  986. Licaon_Kter wtf? https://www.xmpp.jp/vcard
  987. jonas’ what the
  988. jonas’ it is in their privacy policy though
  989. jonas’ yuuuck
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  992. Licaon_Kter Yes and no, publish when you add as contact or smth, but publish on website to be crawled by anyone feels like one intentional step further. Eg. Spammers just need to refresh the page and get IDs...for free
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  994. jonas’ yes
  995. jonas’ also, vcard is indeed public without presence subscription or somesuch
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  997. jonas’ but you still need to know the JID
  998. Licaon_Kter Exactly
  999. jonas’ publishing the vcards along with the JID is... uh
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  1222. Ellenor Bjornsd. it's a choice which should be the user's
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  1226. moparisthebest Excellent, now someone just needs to write a bot to ping xmpp.jp users everytime they touch their vcard
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  1230. jonas’ "nice pic!" "you look good today!" "congrats on the new name!"?
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  1233. moparisthebest > hey I see you updated your vcard/name/profile pic because your server publishes these publicly, have a nice day!
  1234. jonas’ :)
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  1237. jonas’ "contact $contactAddressOfxmppjp if you don't like that"
  1238. moparisthebest Yyyeeeesssss
  1239. jonas’ bonus if using an xmpp.jp JID to do it ... :)
  1240. moparisthebest hmm evil, I like it
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  1306. Trbl xmpp might get a bit more popular as the chatcontrol law passed in the EU
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  1309. moparisthebest doesn't that make XMPP illegal
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  1317. Trbl everything i like to do is illegal, won't affect me much
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  1328. Trbl "everything i like to do is illegal" is the title of a pretty good book btw
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  1404. rozzin Hmmm:
  1405. rozzin https://xep-0363.xmpp.hackerposse.com:5443/upload/23963ea3bfb238743ef238bd0d65bed8f777298d/9BfD94cYtqLqJEU4fMypqkXHLV6duDIGpcdMgvAx/kZlSMZYWSQ2QeADtlF1YRQ.jpg
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  1412. Licaon_Kter rozzin: chatcontrol.eesu
  1413. Licaon_Kter rozzin: chatcontrol.eu
  1414. rozzin Licaon_Kter: I know, actually. It's just...
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  1416. Licaon_Kter ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  1417. Licaon_Kter 7th link heh
  1418. Licaon_Kter 6th on Qwant, meh
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  1451. 404.city ‎Licaon_Kter‎: Spammers do not spam xmpp.jp because it is a spam server for buy spam mailings. Feedback contacts were located at xmpp.jp for a long time, and the server ignored any complaints from other servers.
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  1458. Licaon_Kter 404.city: (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
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  1460. 404.city I personally did not speak with the admin of xmpp.jp, but there are at least 2 people in this chat who have been refused to block contact back to buy spam.
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  1811. mjk Also, I seem to remember xmpp.jp itself sends ads to its users. Although, details are hazy in my memory, so it could be regular spam
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  1815. Licaon_Kter mjk: their Converse chat page has Google Analytics and Ads
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  1818. Licaon_Kter mjk: their Converse chat page has Google Analytics and Ads scripts loading
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  1822. mjk Welp, not all federating xmpp servers are equally good for your ~health~ privacy
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  1824. Licaon_Kter Tru story :))
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  1862. mjk Ah, the ad thing I saw here: https://www.xmpp.jp/policy > We may send ads to online users(about once a month). Which seems strangely sparse
  1863. mjk But it probably means they harvest conversations for targeting
  1864. moparisthebest it doesn't say that
  1865. mjk True
  1866. moparisthebest which is a better business model, for privacy, google+facebook's, or sending ads to your users once a month to pay the hosting bill?
  1867. moparisthebest seems like a valid business model to me, assuming they are open about it like it appears
  1868. mjk Yes, it's good they're open about it and don't seem to share data with third parties. Still, once a month seems too few to cover any costs if it's not targeted :shrug:
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  1876. moparisthebest if I was an advertiser I'm not sure why I'd pay xmpp.jp admin to advertise for me when I can just harvest JIDs from their vcard page and send my own for free
  1877. mjk mod_block_strangers?
  1878. mjk ducks
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  1880. moparisthebest good point
  1881. mjk But yeah. The vcard publication seems relatively new to me
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