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  1266. Trbl all the xmpp clients look like absoulte ass
  1267. Trbl all the xmpp clients look like absolute ass
  1268. Trbl Dino is the only one that doesn't try to give me eye cancer
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  1270. Sam Gajim's gotten better. All the text is still tiny for some reason and hard to read, but otherwise it's okay (with the disclaimer that single window mode isn't the default yet, so you have to turn that on or risk the roster randomly getting lost on some other desktop)
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  1274. Trbl gajim reminds me of the early 2000's
  1275. Trbl ... which is a step up from most other clients that look like they peaked in the 90s
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  1280. Licaon_Kter Trbl: > gajim reminds me of the early 2000's Really? https://gajim.org/img/news/workspaces-preview-1.png
  1281. Ge0rG Trbl: you might want to join jdev@muc.xmpp.org and help the developers improve the UI then :)
  1282. Licaon_Kter Trbl: fyi https://gajim.org/post/2021-08-27-workspaces/
  1283. Trbl Ge0rG: damn, that looks good
  1284. Trbl apparently im full of shit
  1285. Trbl Oh, Licaon*
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  1287. Licaon_Kter Trbl: > Dino is the only one that doesn't try to give me eye cancer You can use One-window mode now too, and close roster and etc, it's Dino-like almost
  1288. Licaon_Kter Hope you're not comparing to Gajim 0.16.9 from 2014 or smth
  1289. Ge0rG With Pidgin from 2008.
  1290. Licaon_Kter Even better :))
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  1293. Trbl i got 1.3.2 installed
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  1295. Trbl and it looks like ass
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  1299. Licaon_Kter ^^^^ > You can use One-window mode now too, and close roster and etc, it's Dino-like almost
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  1302. jonas’ Trbl, watch your language please
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  1306. Licaon_Kter Trbl: just say 'donkey' instead
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  1308. Trbl https://chat.her.st:5443/upload/805cad6b852b3640d60a17edd9d4a1cf8190e207/o5m9yaW2unmO74w6TGtwoFMZ94XojvMz1QrJ0rRL/8b521149-afe5-4140-a05b-2d8c5ee3ec01.png
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  1313. moparisthebest the best part about XMPP is it's a standard and you can make/use a client that suits your taste
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  1315. moparisthebest because especially with regards to looks, opinions are like ***holes, everyone has one and most of them stink
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  1317. Licaon_Kter Trbl: > i got 1.3.2 installed > and it looks like donkey Who forces you to use it? Exactly,..
  1318. Trbl ??
  1319. Trbl im using dino
  1320. Trbl you brought up version numbers
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  1323. Licaon_Kter 👍
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  1371. Licaon_Kter MattJ: the current invitation workflow in Snikket is 379+401 or has extra magic dust on top?
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  1377. MattJ No magic dust, just a specific version of 401
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  1386. Licaon_Kter You know I'm gonna ask: "what's specific?'"
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  1388. MattJ Revision 0.3.0 of the XEP
  1389. MattJ Not revision 0.4.0 which is the same as revision 0.2.0
  1390. MattJ Just XSF stuff.
  1391. Licaon_Kter Ok, just wanted to be sure I know all the codewords to annoy Holger :)
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  1397. MattJ The latest revision shouldn't be implemented, it was just published because the XEP's original author didn't approve the changes in 0.3.0. A new revision is planned, but... time
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  1399. MattJ So either a new XEP or new revision will be published based on 0.3.0, the author basically said they won't be updating 401 again iirc
  1400. Licaon_Kter Mmmkay, drama
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  1409. jonas’ MattJ, wait what?
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  1411. jonas’ when did they say that?
  1412. jonas’ because if they said that then council should figure out what to do with the XEP
  1413. jonas’ (which probably means publishing the 0.3.0 the people who actually work with 401 want)
  1414. MattJ It was a little more complicated iirc
  1415. MattJ Ge0rG was working on an update that involved splitting out the bits they didn't agree with into a new XEP, and a new 401 having just the stuff we agree on
  1416. jonas’ sure, something like that was also my recollection
  1417. jonas’ but that's all moot if the 401 author said they effectively abandon it
  1418. MattJ https://gitlab.com/xsf/xeps/-/merge_requests/33?commit_id=9c522069a7d09de58b78ccae19c74bb232323c3c
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  1422. Ge0rG I vaguely remember splitting out the good parts from 0401 into their own XEP. Did I forget to submit it to the XSF?
  1423. jonas’ mmmm
  1424. jonas’ I wonder what happened to that
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  1426. moparisthebest Ah when did it move to gitlab
  1427. Ge0rG https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/ibr-token.html
  1428. jonas’ moparisthebest, it didn't
  1429. Ge0rG Ah, it became https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0445.html
  1430. moparisthebest Nevermind main page explains it
  1431. Ge0rG MattJ: does your onboarding flow match 0445?
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  1437. MattJ Looks like it does, apart from the namespace of the stream feature :/
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  1455. Ge0rG MattJ: you could advertise both on the server. problem solved :D
  1456. MattJ Oh yeah, of course :D
  1457. MattJ Did you update yaxim to do 0445?
  1458. Ge0rG MattJ: no :(
  1459. MattJ Well makes sense to do it on the server side first
  1460. MattJ Hopefully that is the only change, I don't see anything else from a quick skim
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  1462. Ge0rG MattJ: OTOH, I'm not checking for the feature on registration anyway, because if there is a token URL, the server obviously must be capable
  1463. MattJ Fair enough
  1464. Ge0rG and the attack vector of "crafted QR code" has so many escalations that are much worse than locking up yaxim
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  1600. Maranda It looked like a can of worms ready to be opened.
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