XMPP Service Operators - 2021-08-31

all the xmpp clients look like absolute ass ✏

Dino is the only one that doesn't try to give me eye cancer

Gajim's gotten better. All the text is still tiny for some reason and hard to read, but otherwise it's okay (with the disclaimer that single window mode isn't the default yet, so you have to turn that on or risk the roster randomly getting lost on some other desktop)

gajim reminds me of the early 2000's

... which is a step up from most other clients that look like they peaked in the 90s

Trbl: > gajim reminds me of the early 2000's Really? https://gajim.org/img/news/workspaces-preview-1.png

Trbl: you might want to join jdev@muc.xmpp.org and help the developers improve the UI then :)

Trbl: fyi https://gajim.org/post/2021-08-27-workspaces/

Ge0rG: damn, that looks good

apparently im full of shit

Oh, Licaon*

Trbl: > Dino is the only one that doesn't try to give me eye cancer You can use One-window mode now too, and close roster and etc, it's Dino-like almost

Hope you're not comparing to Gajim 0.16.9 from 2014 or smth

With Pidgin from 2008.

Even better :))

i got 1.3.2 installed

and it looks like ass

^^^^ > You can use One-window mode now too, and close roster and etc, it's Dino-like almost

Trbl, watch your language please

Trbl: just say 'donkey' instead

https://chat.her.st:5443/upload/805cad6b852b3640d60a17edd9d4a1cf8190e207/o5m9yaW2unmO74w6TGtwoFMZ94XojvMz1QrJ0rRL/8b521149-afe5-4140-a05b-2d8c5ee3ec01.png

the best part about XMPP is it's a standard and you can make/use a client that suits your taste

because especially with regards to looks, opinions are like ***holes, everyone has one and most of them stink

Trbl: > i got 1.3.2 installed > and it looks like donkey Who forces you to use it? Exactly,..

??

im using dino

you brought up version numbers

👍

MattJ: the current invitation workflow in Snikket is 379+401 or has extra magic dust on top?

No magic dust, just a specific version of 401

You know I'm gonna ask: "what's specific?'"

Revision 0.3.0 of the XEP

Not revision 0.4.0 which is the same as revision 0.2.0

Just XSF stuff.

Ok, just wanted to be sure I know all the codewords to annoy Holger :)

The latest revision shouldn't be implemented, it was just published because the XEP's original author didn't approve the changes in 0.3.0. A new revision is planned, but... time

So either a new XEP or new revision will be published based on 0.3.0, the author basically said they won't be updating 401 again iirc

Mmmkay, drama

MattJ, wait what?

when did they say that?

because if they said that then council should figure out what to do with the XEP

(which probably means publishing the 0.3.0 the people who actually work with 401 want)

It was a little more complicated iirc

Ge0rG was working on an update that involved splitting out the bits they didn't agree with into a new XEP, and a new 401 having just the stuff we agree on

sure, something like that was also my recollection

but that's all moot if the 401 author said they effectively abandon it

https://gitlab.com/xsf/xeps/-/merge_requests/33?commit_id=9c522069a7d09de58b78ccae19c74bb232323c3c

I vaguely remember splitting out the good parts from 0401 into their own XEP. Did I forget to submit it to the XSF?

mmmm

I wonder what happened to that

Ah when did it move to gitlab

https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/ibr-token.html

moparisthebest, it didn't

Ah, it became https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0445.html

Nevermind main page explains it

MattJ: does your onboarding flow match 0445?

Looks like it does, apart from the namespace of the stream feature :/

MattJ: you could advertise both on the server. problem solved :D

Oh yeah, of course :D

Did you update yaxim to do 0445?

MattJ: no :(

Well makes sense to do it on the server side first

Hopefully that is the only change, I don't see anything else from a quick skim

MattJ: OTOH, I'm not checking for the feature on registration anyway, because if there is a token URL, the server obviously must be capable

Fair enough

and the attack vector of "crafted QR code" has so many escalations that are much worse than locking up yaxim

I remember being firmly against XEP-0401 the first time it was even discussed in XSF a few years ago, I wasn't exactly light on it back then. Didn't change my mind. ✏

It looked like a can of worms ready to be opened.