XMPP Service Operators - 2021-09-07


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  93. Licaon_Kter > Now that someone is moving towards muc videoconferencing, should anyone try kurento as an addon? At least it's not Java or Node based 👍
  94. Licaon_Kter > We already have turn and stun as standard for 1:1 videoconferencing... should we move forward? STUN/TURN is still needed, right? Forward where?
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  186. Link Mauve Bjarkan, Jitsi Meet has been doing MUC videoconferencing for years fyi.
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  191. Bjarkan Link Mauve: but its a silo for theirs not for tigase, or other server at least now
  192. Licaon_Kter Link Mauve: you mean without a SFU?
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  199. Link Mauve Bjarkan, it’s not a silo, it’s a (bunch of) software you can deploy wherever you want.
  200. Link Mauve Licaon_Kter, jitsi-videobridge is their SFU of choice.
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  202. Licaon_Kter Link Mauve: reading your > Bjarkan, Jitsi Meet has been doing MUC videoconferencing for years fyi. ...means "only MUC needed, no SFU" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  203. Link Mauve Bjarkan, they do things a bit differently than most other clients, especially wrt nicknames where they embed a XEP-0172 element in every message instead of using the MUC resource, but otherwise it’s standard MUC and standard Jingle in there, mediated by jicofo (an implementation of XEP-0298).
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  206. Link Mauve Licaon_Kter, MUC/Jingle is used to negociate how the A/V session will be established, so for instance which SFU to use, the two are otherwise orthogonal.
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  208. Licaon_Kter I know, I host it, just that your post was missing all this info :))
  209. Licaon_Kter It's not "MUC conferencing" but "MUC+SFU+TURN" :))
  210. Link Mauve Was it important info though?
  211. Link Mauve Licaon_Kter, well, yours is also missing XMPP+SASL+Jingle+User Nickname+various other parts of the stack. :p
  212. Licaon_Kter Yes, you answered to the Kurento post with "MUC", sounded like SFU's are not needed.
  213. Link Mauve Why would you jump to that supposition?
  214. Licaon_Kter MUC means XMPP server SFU means Kurento/Videobridge/Galene/ent TURN means eturnal/coturn ... It's all turtles down
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  216. Link Mauve MUC can only broadcast messages, there is no way to establish a video call with just that, but it’s one piece for establishing one.
  217. Licaon_Kter > Why would you jump to that supposition? Did I miss any messages in between?
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  219. Licaon_Kter Anyway, we're on the same page...
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  310. MattJ Does anyone recall examples of public XMPP services that terminated service unexpectedly, permanently, *without* any warning?
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  312. mathieui Does blabber count?
  313. MattJ No, but it's the closest that I have in mind right now
  314. neox mathieui, never.
  315. MattJ Well, I guess they didn't *notify* most of their users, but many others did (or tried to)
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  318. Licaon_Kter MattJ: did you just realise all that XPORTA work was in vain as servers never go down? :))
  319. MattJ No, they go down. I have multiple examples of them going down. But I'm interested in how many go down *with* advance warning vs. how many go down *without* advance warning.
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  321. MattJ Moved 2.0 only caters for the "with warning" case currently, although I've left the possibility to extend it to cover the "my original server is down"
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  323. MattJ Down can also mean inaccessible, for whatever reason, not only the whole service terminating though
  324. Licaon_Kter Right
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  327. Licaon_Kter I guess wo heard about blabber because it was tied to a Conversations fork, maybe that would have gone different if it was just xmpp.random
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  334. Licaon_Kter I guess we heard about blabber because it was tied to a Conversations fork, maybe that would have gone different if it was just xmpp.random
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  349. Licaon_Kter Meaning less users though.
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  357. neox Licaon_Kter, especially because it was tied to their own fork that was advertising their own server
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  566. Ellenor Bjornsd. > mathieui wrote: > Does blabber count? yes
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  571. Martin neox: > Licaon_Kter, especially because it was tied to their own fork that was advertising their own server Not really. Afair the server and the app were a collaboration of different people. The blabber.im server existed already before pix-art was renamend to babbler.im.
  572. Licaon_Kter Yes, but users that wanted Conversations on Play but free were using that and using the default server of blabber
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  611. rob mieum: which port did you map the routes to? And are there open/configured?
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  614. rob Oops, was meant to be a whisper
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  1068. mieum rob: sorry I dozed off. I believe I had nginx forward traffic to 5280/5281. The ports should be open, I'll double check in a bit. netstat shows that prosody is listening on tjose ports, but when I generate an invite it says that it cant bind to those ports because prosody is already using them. i'll have to pick through that in a bit after some coffee haha
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