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  1671. mimi89999 Establishing a secure connection from emevth.no-ip.biz to lebihan.pl failed. Certificate hash: 8f290539741489af4dd385f82c0f285ebd77751f26c1d1d3112ee361b8dfd20b. Error with certificate 0: certificate has expired.
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  1702. Licaon_Kter The deadliest enemy...
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  1898. rozzin moparisthebest: ... when?
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  2250. moparisthebest rozzin: how is tomorrow looking for you?
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  2276. rozzin moparisthebest: 😑️
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  2288. rozzin moparisthebest: TBH, I look forward to tomorrow with a sense of _existential dread_ more than anything, but the reasons for that our out-of-scope for this discussion... 😜️ What I meant was that I'm having trouble parsing and understanding your last line: "Dane and never expiring certs when". Like... was that a statement with a tail that fell off before it arrived?
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  2301. moparisthebest Ah, in response to a certificate expiring, I was lamenting that we could have permanently solved this problem already by moving to DANE pinning public keys and issuing our own certs with 100+ year expiry dates instead, but the whole public federation of XMPP servers would have to do it together hence the half-hearted "when" :)
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  2313. rozzin And then rely on certificate-revocations when the newbie server operators leak their keys 6 months in, I guess?
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  2329. rozzin And when they wholly abandon their "maybe a running a server would be fun!" ideas after a year or 5, shut down their hosting, let the domain lapse... and then don't even bother informing their users.... Actually, revocations don't happen in that situation, so. 🤷️
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  2332. rozzin Not sure the expiries with something like Let's Encrypt really help that latter situation either.
  2333. moparisthebest No, the "valid certs" just live in DNS at that point so no revocations required
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  2339. moparisthebest TTLs apply as usual
  2340. rozzin I should admit that I'm really not up to speed on DANE 😅️
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  2345. moparisthebest The only problem is entire TLDs are stuck in the past and don't support DNSSEC at all, the biggest problem of which for XMPP is .im -.-
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  2348. moparisthebest So everyone just needs to abandon their .im domains first, then we can have nice things :)
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  2397. Menel Do really all have to change at once? Can't the server software have a check for it implemented and allows the conventional method or DANE to establish a connection?
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  2409. rob I think it could, no reason we couldn't at support for DANE in a given server ahead of others. But would require still supporting regular certs too
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  2426. Menel Yes.. But its unlikely whole established networks change stuff like that on some effective date. Be it xmpp or http or whatever
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  2439. Menel So it must be both methods for some time and then after a long time discontinue the "legacy" method
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  2461. rob Permission to quit my job so I can do fun things like implement DANE support in prosody
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  2465. MattJ You mean https://modules.prosody.im/mod_s2s_auth_dane ?
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  2485. rob Oh neat 🤓
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  2488. rob But can I set two certificates, one used by the dane module and the other as default
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  2493. rob Or I guess you could just update the tlsa records when new certs are generated
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  2508. Martin Broke s2s to several servers when I tested it due to broken tlsa records.
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  2527. rob So a nice automated update method and fairly short TTL might be good
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  2530. rob But does the module allow fallback when dane isn't present?
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  2546. Licaon_Kter The key is under a fake rock near the backdoor, as usual.
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  2560. moparisthebest Yea existing servers can trust DANE today, but until they all or most do, no server can sanely avoid getting a letsencrypt cert all together
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  2587. jonas’ are muc.tigase.im operators around?
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  2823. neox bung, were you living in a cave the last few months? 🤔️
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  2833. bung No, ı say room
  2834. bung Not server
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  2837. neox bung, well blabber mucs were on the blabber server, so ?
  2838. neox bung, well blabber mucs were on the blabber server, so?
  2839. bung > neox wrote: > bung, well blabber mucs were on the blabber server, so? No
  2840. neox bung, what do you mean by "blabber mucs" then ?
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  2843. bung > neox wrote: > bung, what do you mean by "blabber mucs" then ? Blabber support and dev room
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  2852. neox bung, ok : as I said it was xmpp:blabber-dev@conference.blabber.im?join and xmpp:blabber@conference.blabber.im?join (so located on blabber.im server)
  2853. neox These mucs are now down forever, and I don't know if there are new rooms elsewhere
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  2861. MattJ xmpp:support@room.pix-art.de?join
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  2863. MattJ Is the new support room for the app
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  2872. bung But not working with my Phone
  2873. bung I people
  2874. bung Resolved
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