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edhelas: > Establishing a secure connection from mdosch.de to movim.eu failed. Certificate hash: a4fe17a41ff7da2c00332647fbc96fb82d42f1f1e4be504fe01456253c76c9cf. Error with certificate 0: certificate has expired.
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Hi all! Reminder that the XMPP office hours are tomorrow! I'll be showing off the new Open Collective and talking about the XSF's new role as a fiscal host if anyone is interested (I think this sort of fiscal hosting may be of particular interest to server operators who have to pay for equipment and what not): https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/XMPP_Office_Hours
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ernst.on.tour 17:19:16
OMG... :shock: Harden your servers, WA/FB/Insta are down, where will all the lost souls take down ? Sorry for german: https://www.n-tv.de/22846205 😂😂😂
Licaon_Kter 17:22:11
ernst.on.tour: the last paragraph is so wierdly put there... whisleblower blew away their servers?
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Whisleblower was offer information that profit is more important then security
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Have nothing todo with breakdown
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Seems to be a DNS-problem/missconfigure
Licaon_Kter 17:27:02
Yes, but "a day ago" seems important' but WaPo files are weeks old...so?
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Licaon_Kter 17:27:18
Exactly
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rozzin 18:37:11
So is Let's Encrypt going to just stop producing chains that reference the expired DST Root CA X3 at some point?
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ru_maniac 18:38:01
don't think so they've left it there for a specific reason: to keep devices on Android running versions lower than 7.1.1 supported
rozzin 18:38:39
Except... it's expired, so... how does that work at this point?
ru_maniac 18:39:20
it's a "feature" of Android -- its old versions, to be exact
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rozzin 18:39:52
I guess I need to actually read https://letsencrypt.org/2020/12/21/extending-android-compatibility.html
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old versions are not checking validity of a root CA
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so until the intermediate CA is valid, end-user certs will be as well
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rozzin 18:41:21
> This solution works because Android intentionally does not enforce the expiration dates of certificates used as trust anchors.
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ru_maniac 18:41:40
correct
rozzin 18:41:56
Wild--I was definitely not expecting that.
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ru_maniac 18:42:31
well, this has no effect on most of the OSes out there, since they are actually checking for "notAfter" validity of a trust anchor
ru_maniac 18:44:23
and Android versions lower than 7.1.1, I would imagine, are out of the scope of any kind of certificate tampering attacs
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ru_maniac 18:44:31
*attacks
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zp1.net 21:17:45
Facebook.com is for sale.
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How cheap?
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Finn 21:24:23
Pointing that domain to some IP would be like a huge ddos attack I guess..
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Martin 21:28:44
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/10/facebook-instagram-whatsapp-and-oculus-are-down-heres-what-we-know/#p3 > Many Internet commenters also mistakenly believe that the Facebook.com domain itself is "up for sale by a private third party"—but this is only due to poorly coded online tools designed for domain buyers and speculators. Facebook is its own domain name registrar—and Registrarsafe.com is also offline, as it shares infrastructure with the rest of Facebook.
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sam 21:52:32
g'day folks. if im in canada,should renting a vps in europe be avoided due to latency or is that something that doesn't matter with modern internet connections?
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sam 21:52:52
I plan on making frequent voice/video calls with my xmpp server.
zp1.net 21:52:55
Martin: boring :))))
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zp1.net 21:53:54
sam: calls are phone to phone.
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sam 21:54:22
Ah, neat.
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rob 21:55:25
I use a server in the states for ingres to my server at home in Canada, and another on the opposite cost for turn/stun. All with no issue
rob 21:56:01
I would wager Europe won't have a huge difference, especially with most vps having gigabit
Licaon_Kter 21:56:11
> sam: calls are phone to phone. If phones have external IPs But, they might not, so you'll need a TURN server anyway.
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sam 21:56:31
I'm just using snikket, and I believe it has a TURN server integrated. I could be wrong.
Licaon_Kter 21:57:04
Check yo' docker :)
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rob 21:57:43
Snicket is great
rob 21:58:03
I'd be running it if I wasnt such a dork
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sam 21:58:45
I was gonna run prosody, but a bunch of friends recommended snikket. why tinker and configure when snikket is setup with every feature i want out of the box. :)
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Menel 22:00:02
But phone to europes turnserver to phone might be with a huge delay. Im from Europe, and talking to my brother in south America via conversations was not so easy.
zp1.net 22:00:04
sam: i was gonna run prosody ... but then i got high
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sam 22:00:15
😂️
rob 22:00:19
Exactly
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rob 22:00:43
I only run it because I wanted multiple vhosts and I like to control all the things
sam 22:00:53
Menel, ah see this is what I'm looking for
arcseconds 22:01:08
I am also pretty sure Snikket has a TURN server incorporated - the firewall page definiteoy says to open ports for it, anyway...
Menel 22:01:16
It has
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rob 22:01:54
I'd share mine with a fellow Canadian 😊
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sam 22:02:53
how does that work?
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rob 22:03:21
I can give you the domain, port and secret. You can configure your instance to use it instead
zp1.net 22:04:03
My room is still messed up and i know why.. Cuz i got snicket cuz i got snikket
rob 22:04:06
If you find there too much lag
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Want to test?
sam 22:04:19
At the moment the server is in the united states
sam 22:04:38
and honestly i dont want to touch snikket :/
rob 22:04:38
Oh I see, just looking at future options
sam 22:04:47
future options, exactly. :)
rob 22:04:51
Ya it works great as is
sam 22:05:12
as much as I'm comfortable playing around with my server, I hate docker and prosody scares me
rob 22:05:30
I put everything in docker, why I don't know
rob 22:05:34
But I find it easier
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arcseconds 22:06:18
Snikket is trying to be a turn-key system, with minimal configuration.
rob 22:06:19
I do run a lot of services in one machine though, not sure how many. But dozens at least
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sam 22:07:41
I love docker as a concept, but I've never sat down to learn it, so whenever I use it I just run the command and close my eyes, pretend it doesn't exist
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sam 22:07:48
whatever is happening in that container is somebody elses issue
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Ellenor Bjornsd. 22:09:29
mmm
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sam: that's kind of the idea with Snikket as far as I understand it. If you want to care about what's happening in the Snikket container Snikket isn't for you, probably.
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Ellenor Bjornsd. 22:09:39
I just install things in the root jail
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sam: but then you're back with the complexity of scary Prosody :-)
arcseconds 22:10:35
(other xmpp servers are available)
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Ellenor Bjornsd. 22:12:30
ejabberd is explosively complex ;-;
Ellenor Bjornsd. 22:12:45
just use prosody if you don't have performance requirements
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for my fairly basic requirements I have found them both about as bewildering as one another.
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arcseconds 22:14:22
which isn't too terribly bewildering, I've found other things far more so... perhaps I'm getting better at this stuff though
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sam 22:15:18
I'm just hearing "use snikket" :P
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rob 22:17:57
Ya, use it. If you ever need to use prosody you will know.
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sam 22:22:50
👍️
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Link Mauve 23:08:40
rob, Canada-France still amounts to 70~90ms, it isn’t negligeable.
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