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  630. defanor How do you, as a user and/or an operator, deal with incoming subscription requests that look like activity probes, particularly with Prosody? Simply rejecting would let them know that the account is active, but keeping them leads to a growing list of spammers/requests on each login. The options I'm considering are manual editing of Prosody's roster/<user>.dat and blacklisting outgoing packets to servers in question before rejecting them, but both seem quite awkward (and not usable by non-administrators). I do report those, but even if/when new requests cease to arrive after that, there's no way to be sure that rejecting old requests won't notify the spammers.
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  686. jonas’ defanor: I think adding the sender to the blocklist (XEP-0191 iirc) and then rejecting should no cause a notification to them
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  694. defanor jonas’, oh, neat, didn't know it blocks outbound stanzas too. The XEP doesn't mention that though, does it?
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  702. defanor Ah, it does. "If the user attempts to send an outbound stanza to the JID, the user's server MUST NOT route the stanza to the JID but instead MUST return a <not-acceptable/> error containing an application-specific error condition of <blocked/> qualified by the 'urn:xmpp:blocking:errors' namespace"
  703. defanor (That's a blocked JID it talks about, AIUI.)
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  707. jonas’ okay so prosody even removes the pending request from its storage, no need for the user to reject
  708. jonas’ afaict it will not send a stanza to the blocked user for that
  709. jonas’ https://hg.prosody.im/trunk/file/tip/plugins/mod_blocklist.lua#l133
  710. jonas’ and: https://hg.prosody.im/trunk/file/tip/plugins/mod_blocklist.lua#l202
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  722. jonas’ (the original reason being that the outbound routing block code was too strict and even prevented to rejection from being effective locally; hence the auto-removal of the pending request)
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  728. MattJ FWIW rejecting an incoming subscription request should not notify the sender, even without blocking
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  730. MattJ The stuff in Prosody's blocking was added because after blocking someone it became impossible to reject the subscription request
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  732. MattJ And it makes no sense to keep a pending request for a JID you block
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  745. defanor MattJ: "should not" as in "it does in XMPP, but it's not how it should be"?
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  775. MattJ defanor: the XMPP specification says the sender should not be notified
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  780. defanor MattJ: oh, I was looking for that specifically before, and didn't find that. And with Prosody they are notified.
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  790. jonas’ defanor: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc6121#page-40
  791. jonas’ > If the user's bare JID is not yet in the contact's roster or is > in the contact's roster with a state of "None", "None + Pending > Out", or "To", the contact's server SHOULD NOT route or deliver > the presence stanza of type "unsubscribed" to the user and MUST > NOT send presence notifications of type "unavailable" to the user > as described below.
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  794. defanor Indeed, thanks. I was quite sure that Prosody does it though, will check again.
  795. MattJ defanor: if you find that to be the case please report it
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  842. MattJ Hmm, a quick glance at the code doesn't look promising
  843. defanor I've checked again, it still looks like it does route those. Will report, then.
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  847. MattJ I think this may be because at the time this code was written, the latest XMPP spec was RFC 3921, which does not have this text (it actually says you MUST notify the sender)
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  852. MattJ Things like this were why I frowned on other servers that claimed to support both RFCs :)
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  1780. sam Any ideas from the community on why I'm having trouble contacting any servers/JIDs on movim.eu?
  1781. sam I thought it might have been an s2s connection leftover from my old server, but I figured that would have resolved itself by now. Every other server seems fine.
  1782. Martin Do you get any error?
  1783. Martin @ping movim.eu
  1784. Echo1 Martin: Pong from movim.eu in 0.927 seconds
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  1787. sam Haven't checked for any errors, should probably do that. 👍️
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  1789. Martin That's the first thing you should do. 😃
  1790. sam just started using snikket and am not completely familiar with how everything works yet lol
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  1811. sam Outgoing s2s stream pavot.ca->movim.eu closed: error<cancel:not-authorized:certificate has expired>
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  1814. Licaon_Kter As reported last week, still cert issues.ee
  1815. sam looks like I was somewhat correct, s2s is to blame.
  1816. Licaon_Kter As reported last week, still cert issues
  1817. sam >As reported last week oh. i must've missed that.
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  1820. MattJ observe.jabber.network says the cert expires in 2022
  1821. Licaon_Kter If you can ping edhelas via other means, pls do...
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  1824. Licaon_Kter MattJ: my ejabberd ain't happy...
  1825. sam I'
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  1827. sam >edhelas ?
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  1834. MattJ Is the problem with verifying movim.eu's cert, or movim.eu verifying other certs?
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  1836. Licaon_Kter sam: the nick of the Movim admin
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  1838. Licaon_Kter MattJ: movim.eu
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  1840. Licaon_Kter Wait
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  1842. sam I sent movim.eu an email
  1843. Licaon_Kter > `[warning] <0.16242.0>@ejabberd_s2s_out:handle_auth_failure/3:233 (tls|<0.16242.0>) Failed outbound s2s EXTERNAL authentication mydomain.tld -> movim.eu (hidden_by_ejabberd): Authentication failed: Peer responded with error: certificate has expired (not-authorized)`
  1844. Licaon_Kter So it blames mine then?
  1845. MattJ So it doesn't like your cert
  1846. Licaon_Kter Heh
  1847. jonas’ running on ubuntu 16.04? ;)
  1848. MattJ Probably it needs ca-certificates updating
  1849. Licaon_Kter Bullseye, but cert updated in Aug 21
  1850. jonas’ Licaon_Kter, I meant movim.eu :)
  1851. sam Ah, so there's an issue on movim.eu's end?
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  1854. jonas’ looks like it
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  1925. croax Looks movim.eu s2s still rely on X3 in provided cert chain: > Certificate chain > 0 s:CN = movim.eu > i:C = US, O = Let's Encrypt, CN = R3 > 1 s:C = US, O = Let's Encrypt, CN = R3 > i:C = US, O = Internet Security Research Group, CN = ISRG Root X1 > 2 s:C = US, O = Internet Security Research Group, CN = ISRG Root X1 > i:O = Digital Signature Trust Co., CN = DST Root CA X3 >
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