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ernst.on.tour 15:00:15
Somebody working with apache and/or log4j ? Have a look about CVE2021-44228 Will kill my weekend 😕
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MattJ 15:00:58
Confirmed that Tigase is not vulnerable, but I haven't looked into Openfire
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Wojtek 15:03:07
yeah, we don't use log4j
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I thought people switched to logback ages ago, apparently not
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jonas’ 15:15:19
~~thinking that people upgraded ages ago is always dangerous~~ ✎
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TheCoffeMaker 15:25:34
Thinking is dangerous (?) 🤣
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jonas’ 15:25:59
~thinking~ that people upgraded ages ago is always a dangerous assumption ✏
jonas’ 15:26:08
TheCoffeMaker, there I fixed it ;)
TheCoffeMaker 15:26:33
lol
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MattJ 19:16:31
Openfire apparently vulnerable: https://discourse.igniterealtime.org/t/openfire-4-6-5-released/91108
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That will be fun. There are a lot of poorly-maintained Openfire installations around...
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openfire still works?
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when I try to open the client it just is a blank white window
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The log4j vuln is already being abused in wild
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ernst.on.tour 21:55:15
Yeah, just leave company after 16h of work, colleags will stay. My turn will be tomorrow again. There are pictures of hacking Amazon and other big players, seems to be a big impact. Each jar which will use log4j and open a port will possible be attack-able
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moparisthebest 22:07:54
I guess we could exploit the openfire bug to upgrade openfire for them
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MattJ 22:08:42
Not the first time such a suggestion has been made about Openfire :P
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MattJ 22:08:45
Though it's been a while
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moparisthebest 22:08:59
https://twitter.com/cyb3rops/status/1469343827228086278 accurate
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Martin 22:09:05
Has Openfire a bad record?
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MattJ 22:10:40
The biggest one was the failure to check the username of password changes. In XMPP you send a <username>youruser</username><password>new-password</password>, but Openfire didn't check that the username was your username
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MattJ 22:10:56
So you could set any user's password, including the default 'admin' account
MattJ 22:11:11
Which in turn could be used to log into the web admin that it served by default
moparisthebest 22:11:24
That's awesome
MattJ 22:11:53
Combine that with the numerous web interface flaws and the fact that many Openfire admins just run it as root (or Windows equivalent), and... yeah
moparisthebest 22:11:53
Actually the main npm registry just had the same bug
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mathieui 22:14:25
https://twitter.com/kikta/status/1469388635954978822 love it
mathieui 22:15:41
Oops wrong MUC my bad (still relevant but unintended)
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tom 22:16:51
java?
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Menel 22:25:22
> in the case of Minecraft, attackers were able to get remote code execution on Minecraft servers by simply pasting the malicious string into the chat box. Everything is just broken.. We always have to remind ourselfs.
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kahlb 22:26:24
Probably relevant for those worrying about jog4j: https://gist.github.com/Neo23x0/e4c8b03ff8cdf1fa63b7d15db6e3860b
Maranda 22:26:36
Huhu I vaguely recall there's a lot of java into Ubiquiti firmware...
Maranda 22:26:48
That's gonna be fun.
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kahlb 22:32:27
I've never seen a vuln that is so critical and so easy to exploit. Compared to this, Heartbleed was rocketscience and more limited in it's impact. We're gonna be veeeery busy with this one for the next months...
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MattJ 22:36:41
In fairness Heartbleed was quite a bit more widespread, as the "market share" of OpenSSL is quite large, covering most things that do TLS
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MattJ 22:37:28
Many systems don't run Java services, and those that do don't necessarily run log4j (of the 2 publicly-accessible Java services I admin, neither use log4j)
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tom 22:38:16
I really want to have a centralized password/login management across my xmpp server, dovecot imap, INN nntp, and ssh unix system
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tom 22:38:26
is ldap the way to do that?
tom 22:38:31
i'm not familar with ldap
MattJ 22:38:49
LDAP is probably the best way to do that, yes... everything supports it
ij 22:39:02
can confirm
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tom 22:39:09
also, is there a way with such a centralized login system to only allow certain users or groups access to say, xmpp servce, ssh shell accounts, imap, and network news?
tom 22:39:41
Is there any good resources you can point me to for getting started with it then?
tom 22:39:48
at least understanding the system
ij 22:40:10
you can use groups and ldap filters to limit access to certain groups
tom 22:40:11
if i'm understanding right, ldap isn't used alone. it's part of a large openldap+kerberous+session tickets system yes?
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moparisthebest 22:41:09
tom: I do that with accounts in a SQL database
tom 22:41:26
I've done that before with a sql database and a python library
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tom 22:42:08
but it becomes a bit trickey when you want to use existing software, or not just validate passwords but have things like session tickets and only allow access to some systems
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moparisthebest 22:42:28
Nginx, prosody, dovecot, postfix, nextcloud etc etc all use the same user+pass
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tom 22:42:54
ij, no idea why looks normal from my side
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moparisthebest 22:43:13
Each account has a Boolean column that grants/denies access to each service
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tom 22:45:03
but then how do you handle other attributes, like homedirectory, unix user groups,
tom 22:45:09
gecos
tom 22:45:15
nicknames
tom 22:45:28
allowed email FROM addresses
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moparisthebest 22:52:56
tom: I use postfixadmin which handles all that, I added the other columns for XMPP and http etc later
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Martin 22:53:42