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  1624. ernst.on.tour Somebody working with apache and/or log4j ? Have a look about CVE2021-44228 Will kill my weekend 😕
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  1628. MattJ Confirmed that Tigase is not vulnerable, but I haven't looked into Openfire
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  1651. moparisthebest I thought people switched to logback ages ago, apparently not
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  1673. TheCoffeMaker Thinking is dangerous (?) 🤣
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  1675. jonas’ ~thinking~ that people upgraded ages ago is always a dangerous assumption
  1676. jonas’ TheCoffeMaker, there I fixed it ;)
  1677. TheCoffeMaker lol
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  2581. MattJ Openfire apparently vulnerable: https://discourse.igniterealtime.org/t/openfire-4-6-5-released/91108
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  2585. MattJ That will be fun. There are a lot of poorly-maintained Openfire installations around...
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  2731. tom openfire still works?
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  2733. tom when I try to open the client it just is a blank white window
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  2770. Sapotaceae The log4j vuln is already being abused in wild
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  3429. ernst.on.tour Yeah, just leave company after 16h of work, colleags will stay. My turn will be tomorrow again. There are pictures of hacking Amazon and other big players, seems to be a big impact. Each jar which will use log4j and open a port will possible be attack-able
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  3474. moparisthebest I guess we could exploit the openfire bug to upgrade openfire for them
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  3479. MattJ Not the first time such a suggestion has been made about Openfire :P
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  3481. MattJ Though it's been a while
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  3484. moparisthebest https://twitter.com/cyb3rops/status/1469343827228086278 accurate
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  3486. Martin Has Openfire a bad record?
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  3496. MattJ The biggest one was the failure to check the username of password changes. In XMPP you send a <username>youruser</username><password>new-password</password>, but Openfire didn't check that the username was your username
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  3500. MattJ So you could set any user's password, including the default 'admin' account
  3501. MattJ Which in turn could be used to log into the web admin that it served by default
  3502. moparisthebest That's awesome
  3503. MattJ Combine that with the numerous web interface flaws and the fact that many Openfire admins just run it as root (or Windows equivalent), and... yeah
  3504. moparisthebest Actually the main npm registry just had the same bug
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  3518. mathieui https://twitter.com/kikta/status/1469388635954978822 love it
  3519. mathieui Oops wrong MUC my bad (still relevant but unintended)
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  3522. tom java?
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  3540. Menel > in the case of Minecraft, attackers were able to get remote code execution on Minecraft servers by simply pasting the malicious string into the chat box. Everything is just broken.. We always have to remind ourselfs.
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  3542. kahlb Probably relevant for those worrying about jog4j: https://gist.github.com/Neo23x0/e4c8b03ff8cdf1fa63b7d15db6e3860b
  3543. Maranda Huhu I vaguely recall there's a lot of java into Ubiquiti firmware...
  3544. Maranda That's gonna be fun.
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  3561. kahlb I've never seen a vuln that is so critical and so easy to exploit. Compared to this, Heartbleed was rocketscience and more limited in it's impact. We're gonna be veeeery busy with this one for the next months...
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  3569. MattJ In fairness Heartbleed was quite a bit more widespread, as the "market share" of OpenSSL is quite large, covering most things that do TLS
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  3572. MattJ Many systems don't run Java services, and those that do don't necessarily run log4j (of the 2 publicly-accessible Java services I admin, neither use log4j)
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  3578. tom I really want to have a centralized password/login management across my xmpp server, dovecot imap, INN nntp, and ssh unix system
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  3582. tom is ldap the way to do that?
  3583. tom i'm not familar with ldap
  3584. MattJ LDAP is probably the best way to do that, yes... everything supports it
  3585. ij can confirm
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  3587. tom also, is there a way with such a centralized login system to only allow certain users or groups access to say, xmpp servce, ssh shell accounts, imap, and network news?
  3588. tom Is there any good resources you can point me to for getting started with it then?
  3589. tom at least understanding the system
  3590. ij you can use groups and ldap filters to limit access to certain groups
  3591. tom if i'm understanding right, ldap isn't used alone. it's part of a large openldap+kerberous+session tickets system yes?
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  3596. moparisthebest tom: I do that with accounts in a SQL database
  3597. tom I've done that before with a sql database and a python library
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  3599. tom but it becomes a bit trickey when you want to use existing software, or not just validate passwords but have things like session tickets and only allow access to some systems
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  3601. moparisthebest Nginx, prosody, dovecot, postfix, nextcloud etc etc all use the same user+pass
  3602. ij always sees messages from tom twice… hmmm
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  3605. tom ij, no idea why looks normal from my side
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  3607. moparisthebest Each account has a Boolean column that grants/denies access to each service
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  3610. tom but then how do you handle other attributes, like homedirectory, unix user groups,
  3611. tom gecos
  3612. tom nicknames
  3613. tom allowed email FROM addresses
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  3627. moparisthebest tom: I use postfixadmin which handles all that, I added the other columns for XMPP and http etc later
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  3633. Martin > The biggest one was the failure to check the username of password changes. In XMPP you send a <username>youruser</username><password>new-password</password>, but Openfire didn't check that the username was your username > So you could set any user's password, including the default 'admin' account > Which in turn could be used to log into the web admin that it served by default 😳
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  3636. moparisthebest Same exact bug https://github.blog/2021-11-15-githubs-commitment-to-npm-ecosystem-security/#security-issues-related-to-the-npm-registry
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