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moparisthebest 01:08:09
https://github.com/YfryTchsGD/Log4jAttackSurface excellent
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rozzin 02:36:10
moparisthebest: what...
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rozzin: what?
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TheCoffeMaker 04:21:07
> does anyone know of a good guide for getting started with openldap central authentication? I think that you are looking for freeIPA
TheCoffeMaker 04:21:28
tom: ☝️
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TheCoffeMaker 04:24:44
https://www.freeipa.org/
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~~Oh ffs > jigasi/jitsi-videobridge affected by log4j vulnerability when callstats is enabled~~ ✎
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Oh ffs > jigasi&jitsi-videobridge affected by log4j vulnerability when callstats is enabled ✏
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Martin 10:08:16
Licaon_Kter: Do you know whether it's fixed in todays jitsi-meet update? Didn't find anything in the changelog.
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Holger 10:13:53
Martin: https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-videobridge/pull/1776
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Seems the stable/jitsi-meet_6726 tag has that commit (cherry-picked, i.e. different commit hash).
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FWIW, I couldn't easily bump log4j for our videobridge and had applied this instead: https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-videobridge/pull/1774
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Martin 10:19:40
I set `LOG4J_FORMAT_MSG_NO_LOOKUPS` to `true` additionally, just in case it's not yet fixed. But If they cherry-picked that commit it should be fine. Thanks. :)
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Did the same yes, albeit my build is really old :((
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jonas’ 11:02:46
Licaon_Kter: some builds ship with log4j older than 2.10 where these workarounds are not available
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Are there arm64 builds? That aside, my config needs an update as I don't use prosody...
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Licaon_Kter 16:24:53
https://upload.convorb.im/7c370453f738f2c0c995eaee643e5e0aba76aeb0/QO0aGVTAZ0Jxlnc0tMtoL4oNdv63uTGkCKLbPRBK/c4b5996c-bc37-404d-8bd8-cbd9c31268fc.png
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Wow...this...
Licaon_Kter 16:25:42
(Dino pasted an image selected in Firefox... unexpected but nice)
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kahlb 16:29:06
Licaon_Kter: you're not alone. I already posted some quick n dirty analysis to xmpp:cybersecurity@conference.netbk.de?join earlier today. What service is this from? Jitsi?
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~~Dunno, just saw that it can said it can be triggered with an special useragent too, which makes it...brrr~~ ✎
Licaon_Kter 16:30:20
Dunno, just saw that was said it can be triggered with an special useragent too, which makes it...brrr ✏
Licaon_Kter 16:30:25
Dunno, just saw that was said it can be triggered with a special useragent too, which makes it...brrr ✏
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kahlb 16:33:28
You can trigger it by pretty much everything that is going to be written to a log by log4j, so it's User-Agent, chat Messages, http get/post... Kind of scary, yes. Not only server applications are on danger, clients and standalone software as well.
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TheCoffeMaker 16:44:25
lol used to be a Java developer and later, an architect for HP, before they split in two ... All American Airlines, CenturyLink, Sprint, JPMorgan, American Tabacco, oh! and CitiCorp software too .. All of them use log4j 🤣 ✎
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TheCoffeMaker 16:44:48
lol used to be a Java developer and later, an architect for HP, before they split in two ... All software from American Airlines, CenturyLink, Sprint, JPMorgan, American Tabacco, oh! and CitiCorp software too .. All of them use log4j 🤣 ✏
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moparisthebest 16:45:47
TheCoffeMaker: but how many log4j2 instead of log4j1 ? :)
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Only 2 is vulnerable, which makes the lesson clear, never upgrade anything ever
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TheCoffeMaker 16:47:14
> Only 2 is vulnerable, which makes the lesson clear, never upgrade anything ever lol thats worse
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> but how many log4j2 instead of log4j1 ? :) If aint wroken dont fix it
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ernst.on.tour 16:58:48
moparisthebest: As I know log4j1 is also vulnerable but not named because it's out-of-scope since 6 years. It contains a JMS Appender which can use JNDI As written today the JMS only load strings from remote server, not serialized objects, maybe you're are right
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Ah really? Yesterday I read the bug was introduced only in 2 in 2013 but that sounds like it could be a similar different one, thanks!
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lol ... Im too old for this sh*
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kahlb 19:16:44
log4j 1 is not vulnerable.
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rozzin 19:47:43
So..., what exactly is the issue with log4j? It sounds like it's not just use of unsanitized input for *format strings*, but also for any string arguments that I would have expected to just get rendered by string-splicing?
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rozzin: correct
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rozzin 19:49:08
Some of the writeups seem to actually be saying that, but they're saying it in non-technical language, so I wasn't sure how literally I should take those statements....
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rozzin 19:50:39
But I've noticed what seems to be a total absense of the usual "stop passing unsanitized input strings to formatter-procedures, people!" admonitions for this.
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rozzin 19:51:11
And the fix is "turn that feature off in log4j".
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rozzin 19:52:37
I'm having trouble understanding..., why would anyone want a feature that treats *every* argument as a formatter with no method of escape?
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moparisthebest 19:53:04
rozzin: this is maybe the best write-up https://www.lunasec.io/docs/blog/log4j-zero-day/
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But yes, it's any and every argument, and that feature can only be turned off in somewhat newer versions
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Licaon_Kter 20:04:54
Some info here too: https://isc.sans.edu/forums/diary/Log4j+Log4Shell+Followup+What+we+see+and+how+to+defend+and+how+to+access+our+data/28122/
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moparisthebest: that is a good explanation—thanks.
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