XMPP Service Operators - 2021-12-11


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  134. moparisthebest https://github.com/YfryTchsGD/Log4jAttackSurface excellent
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  288. rozzin moparisthebest: what...
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  299. moparisthebest rozzin: what?
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  424. TheCoffeMaker > does anyone know of a good guide for getting started with openldap central authentication? I think that you are looking for freeIPA
  425. TheCoffeMaker tom: ☝️
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  428. TheCoffeMaker https://www.freeipa.org/
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  741. Licaon_Kter Oh ffs > jigasi/jitsi-videobridge affected by log4j vulnerability when callstats is enabled
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  745. Licaon_Kter Oh ffs > jigasi&jitsi-videobridge affected by log4j vulnerability when callstats is enabled
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  977. Martin Licaon_Kter: Do you know whether it's fixed in todays jitsi-meet update? Didn't find anything in the changelog.
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  987. Holger Martin: https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-videobridge/pull/1776
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  992. Holger Seems the stable/jitsi-meet_6726 tag has that commit (cherry-picked, i.e. different commit hash).
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  997. Holger FWIW, I couldn't easily bump log4j for our videobridge and had applied this instead: https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-videobridge/pull/1774
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  1002. Martin I set `LOG4J_FORMAT_MSG_NO_LOOKUPS` to `true` additionally, just in case it's not yet fixed. But If they cherry-picked that commit it should be fine. Thanks. :)
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  1010. Licaon_Kter Did the same yes, albeit my build is really old :((
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  1068. jonas’ Licaon_Kter: some builds ship with log4j older than 2.10 where these workarounds are not available
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  1087. Licaon_Kter Are there arm64 builds? That aside, my config needs an update as I don't use prosody...
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  2085. Licaon_Kter https://upload.convorb.im/7c370453f738f2c0c995eaee643e5e0aba76aeb0/QO0aGVTAZ0Jxlnc0tMtoL4oNdv63uTGkCKLbPRBK/c4b5996c-bc37-404d-8bd8-cbd9c31268fc.png
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  2089. Licaon_Kter Wow...this...
  2090. Licaon_Kter (Dino pasted an image selected in Firefox... unexpected but nice)
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  2105. kahlb Licaon_Kter: you're not alone. I already posted some quick n dirty analysis to xmpp:cybersecurity@conference.netbk.de?join earlier today. What service is this from? Jitsi?
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  2107. Licaon_Kter Dunno, just saw that it can said it can be triggered with an special useragent too, which makes it...brrr
  2108. Licaon_Kter Dunno, just saw that was said it can be triggered with an special useragent too, which makes it...brrr
  2109. Licaon_Kter Dunno, just saw that was said it can be triggered with a special useragent too, which makes it...brrr
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  2123. kahlb You can trigger it by pretty much everything that is going to be written to a log by log4j, so it's User-Agent, chat Messages, http get/post... Kind of scary, yes. Not only server applications are on danger, clients and standalone software as well.
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  2160. TheCoffeMaker lol used to be a Java developer and later, an architect for HP, before they split in two ... All American Airlines, CenturyLink, Sprint, JPMorgan, American Tabacco, oh! and CitiCorp software too .. All of them use log4j 🤣
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  2162. TheCoffeMaker lol used to be a Java developer and later, an architect for HP, before they split in two ... All software from American Airlines, CenturyLink, Sprint, JPMorgan, American Tabacco, oh! and CitiCorp software too .. All of them use log4j 🤣
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  2168. moparisthebest TheCoffeMaker: but how many log4j2 instead of log4j1 ? :)
  2169. moparisthebest Only 2 is vulnerable, which makes the lesson clear, never upgrade anything ever
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  2172. TheCoffeMaker > Only 2 is vulnerable, which makes the lesson clear, never upgrade anything ever lol thats worse
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  2177. TheCoffeMaker > but how many log4j2 instead of log4j1 ? :) If aint wroken dont fix it
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  2207. ernst.on.tour moparisthebest: As I know log4j1 is also vulnerable but not named because it's out-of-scope since 6 years. It contains a JMS Appender which can use JNDI As written today the JMS only load strings from remote server, not serialized objects, maybe you're are right
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  2211. moparisthebest Ah really? Yesterday I read the bug was introduced only in 2 in 2013 but that sounds like it could be a similar different one, thanks!
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  2225. TheCoffeMaker lol ... Im too old for this sh*
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  2871. kahlb log4j 1 is not vulnerable.
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  3064. rozzin So..., what exactly is the issue with log4j? It sounds like it's not just use of unsanitized input for *format strings*, but also for any string arguments that I would have expected to just get rendered by string-splicing?
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  3073. moparisthebest rozzin: correct
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  3076. rozzin Some of the writeups seem to actually be saying that, but they're saying it in non-technical language, so I wasn't sure how literally I should take those statements....
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  3084. rozzin But I've noticed what seems to be a total absense of the usual "stop passing unsanitized input strings to formatter-procedures, people!" admonitions for this.
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  3089. rozzin And the fix is "turn that feature off in log4j".
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  3100. rozzin I'm having trouble understanding..., why would anyone want a feature that treats *every* argument as a formatter with no method of escape?
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  3104. moparisthebest rozzin: this is maybe the best write-up https://www.lunasec.io/docs/blog/log4j-zero-day/
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  3109. moparisthebest But yes, it's any and every argument, and that feature can only be turned off in somewhat newer versions
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  3190. Licaon_Kter Some info here too: https://isc.sans.edu/forums/diary/Log4j+Log4Shell+Followup+What+we+see+and+how+to+defend+and+how+to+access+our+data/28122/
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  3284. rozzin moparisthebest: that is a good explanation—thanks.
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