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  647. andrey.utkin Would anybody please share their experiences with government's data protection offices? I am now looking at UK's Information Commissioner's Office who maintains a registry of "data controllers". My small XMPP server has a few accounts not from my household, so I'm not exempt, so should register (and pay a small fee).
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  776. frog andrey.utkin: what, is that a joke? Every small hoster will pay a "fee"? I know for GDPR the line is drawn at "personally identifiable information" if you only store JIDs pretty sure that doesn't count, so you don't need to worry about GDPR
  777. jonas’ JIDs are very much PII
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  781. andrey.utkin well, how about entire messages archive for each user?
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  786. Ge0rG andrey.utkin: there is https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/GDPR and https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/GDPR/Privacy_Policy_Template
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  797. andrey.utkin i would not be too worried for just hosting a "homebrew" XMPP server. I just semi-randomly stumbled upon ico.org.uk due to my interest in a question "can UK business run servers in Germany". Like, as I'm going to serve transactions using Stripe API on a server, there's may be some small amount of PII, what are implications etc. I didn't know about ICO registration and a fee until today, but I am not shocked and I would say it's reasonable, unless some horror is going on, and that's why I asked here.
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  806. Ge0rG In the UK, there is definitively some horror going on.
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  811. andrey.utkin Ge0rG, could you please elaborate or give examples?
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  816. Ge0rG andrey.utkin: before the brexit, I'd said that the GDPR applies and that you can follow the linked advice. Now, I am not sure.
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  823. andrey.utkin ah ok. i was worried there's evident systematic corruption or such
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  829. MattJ Ge0rG, as far as I'm aware there is still no deviation (yet) from GDPR
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  833. MattJ The deviation that has been proposed by some seems to be a major relaxation of it
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  974. andrey.utkin Breathe, folks: i have found there's a condition on which I don't have to register or pay a fee: i'm processing personal data solely for "recreational reasons"! > Organisations or individuals who only process personal data for judicial functions, elected representative functions, to maintain a public register or *for domestic or recreational reasons are exempt.* You therefore do not have to pay a fee to the ICO Whoever doesn't need to pay a fee, doesn't need to register either. The whole process and documentation is fee-centric rather than endeavour-nature-centric :) Reminds of https://www.boredpanda.com/funny-government-memes/ BTW if you try to pay the fee online anyway, the process loops :) https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/data-protection-fee/
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  994. MattJ Sounds about right :)
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  1105. rozzin "data protection fee" is an amusing phrase....
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  1171. moparisthebest Not to be confused with the "business protection fee" that mobsters charge?
  1172. moparisthebest Actually it's approximately the same thing...
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  1221. Ian Blas Some light xmpp node for Android?
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  1285. Licaon_Kter Ian Blas: termux + prosody/ejabberd? But the network part is hell...
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  1301. Menel Rumor tells of a legendary user that had it working once with ejabberd, in the forgotten days of the year 2020. He claimed it was quite battery friendly. But after a time he was never seen again.
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  1303. jonas’ maybe their battery ran out?
  1304. moparisthebest They also only had it working over IPv6, some people just enjoy pain
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  1306. jonas’ well that makes sense tho ;)
  1307. jonas’ with the prices of ipv4…
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  1329. MattJ I had Prosody running on my phone in 2009 or so
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  1350. ij E90?
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  1357. MattJ Sadly not, it was a Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 mini (had a physical keyboard though, and early Android)
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  1360. Link Mauve I also had Prosody running on my phone around then, on an OpenMoko. :)
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  1381. moparisthebest Woooo https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv/20211214.txt
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  1437. mjk Wait, where did openssl 2.0 go?
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  1442. moparisthebest It didn't
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  1445. mjk Icm completely out of the loop then
  1446. mjk I'm completely out of the loop then
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