XMPP Service Operators - 2021-12-15

Heads up, log4j2 issue still lives... https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2021-45046

> MattJ - I had one of those phones, it's still in a drawer somewhere. Great keyboard for the size. mike: it was the last one with a good keyboard right? I had the t-mobile g1 and loved the keyboard. Still miss it :(

So I did this though, just in case, ffs `zip -q -d log4j-core-*.jar org/apache/logging/log4j/core/lookup/JndiLookup.class`

Licaon_Kter: To check for log4j ? I have to test *each* jar-file, some of them include an static version of JNDILookup.class and thats the worst part. Just a simple *unzip l file.jar | grep -i "JNDILookup.class"* will do it. unzip littleL for list content

ernst.on.tour: that's the surgical removal

Just made my first XMPP instance, Ejabberd was a nightmare to try to configure, but Prosody I had working in 30 mins first time ever using it. Love it.

Welcome aboard :)

Oh yeah as for Log4j I found a tutorial for creating a Gzip bomb for anyone who attempts to exploit it hehe

> Welcome aboard :) Thank you :)

> I have to test *each* jar-file, some of them include an static version of JNDILookup.class and thats the worst part. Oy--so *Java* is in the "shared library? what's that? why would you want that?" bucket? Somehow I didn't see that bus coming, which in retrospect I guess was silly of me.

Is there any xmpp chat app that has a good design? signal style

Wait do you want a good design or signal style?

I use conversations, it works fine and it's simple. But many people who recommend xmpp do not use it, there are no good apps with a modern interface

> Wait do you want a good design or signal style? Good designe interface

Then conversations

Something like signal or session but with xmpp ✏

There is nothing better than conversations ?

Something with better interface?

In my opinion no, especially not signal :)

Can you say exactly what is wrong with the Conversations interface?

But as you can tell, interface is a personal preference thing, there is no universal worse or better

https://xmpp.404.city:5280/usershare/d7eaed993b6dcdfc9939a22dc861d9b9025078d3/y5hSnhF1P0cm9Iwh66e2MfpYclKmAbj85Zfafdzc/KoYI5GSUTfuv4H_z_0Dj3g.jpg

Conversations

https://xmpp.404.city:5280/usershare/d7eaed993b6dcdfc9939a22dc861d9b9025078d3/EQWNTMbOVK1OVdDhT63GwmPnuQ2vVSCrBQ8z1Sbh/MOvpaUc8TYeVKye9DGhz5Q.jpg

Telegram

https://xmpp.404.city:5280/usershare/d7eaed993b6dcdfc9939a22dc861d9b9025078d3/BjRqeIS6Fi1VKASr8ybrdxlQlOJjIJN7a2zBEL0z/5YJA6QeiQUi1txh3LvjOqw.jpg

Signal

Telegram and signal looks more modern and better than conversations

Can you explain how/why? To me they look far worse

Ton of wasted space etc

Conversations does not allow you to customize anything (about interfaces)

I love xmpp, maybe with better interfaces it can bring a lot of people

I'm very familiar with both apps' interfaces

Good, real users don't do that anyway

> Good, real users don't do that anyway Xmpp need more network effect

Interfaces is important

Ok, and you think some interface tweaks might help this happen?

But can't articulate what those tweaks might be? Other than "more modern" and "like signal" ?

I do not want to sound like a user who complains, I just think that improving the interfaces designe can attract more users

> Ok, and you think some interface tweaks might help this happen? I think yes

> But can't articulate what those tweaks might be? Other than "more modern" and "like signal" ? If I write the article, can we send to the conversations dev?

of course

I don't mean to come off rude/short either, just a lot of people say things like "it looks bad" and that's not very helpful, any concrete suggestions however are helpful

> I don't mean to come off rude/short either, just a lot of people say things like "it looks bad" and that's not very helpful, any concrete suggestions however are helpful Sure, i will write the article

Something that would help is to be able to quote photos, videos or audios. Not design but useful

I mean I can see the pictures you sent, I can't pick out why one looks better than the other

So being able to explain what the difference is and why one is better would be great

> So being able to explain what the difference is and why one is better would be great Sure buddy, i will write the article ✏

Ian Blas: FYI the chatroom for Conversations is xmpp:conversations@conference.siacs.eu?join

Oh thanks, I didn't know that

> Ian Blas: FYI the chatroom for Conversations is xmpp:conversations@conference.siacs.eu?join Joined ;)