XMPP Service Operators - 2022-01-10

About XMPP: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29871358

to think movim is 12 years old

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yaxim is 12.5 years old :)

that's frightening.

We are old now ah ah

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You can see here: https://twitter.com/neustradamus/status/42721241823592448 few days before 0.1.

jonas’: would it be possible (and make sense) to extend s.j.n to cover not only chatrooms, but various services a server can provide, like transports, gateways? Things like biboumi, zhabogram, rss aggregators seem only "searchable" by word of mouth

That hn thread has gathered responses and it is disheartening

Why are all the comments so negative?

because it's HN ?

What is the status of JET?

Uh, not jet the other xep for encrypted stanzas

SCE?

https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0420.html

Seems to be implemented in uwpx and... no oher clients?

Is anyone currently sponsoring its development?

Or is it just going to magically appear in Conversations 3.0?

> Or is it just going to magically appear in Conversations 3.0? I wouldn't count on that, but otoh, C. _is_ being funded from hosting and google play

> XMPP is dead and I'm very happy about that. Huh.

xmpp:xsf@muc.xmpp.org?join might be better at answering this sort of q ✏

mjk: > jonas’: would it be possible (and make sense) to extend s.j.n to cover not only chatrooms, but various services a server can provide, like transports, gateways? Things like biboumi, zhabogram, rss aggregators seem only "searchable" by word of mouth Yes, but there is no public biboumi instance with english ToS + privacy policy.

otherwise I would've done that already

jonas’: as in, you need the service's ToS to be okay with being discoverable via a search engine?

Or do you need that info to show it to search users? ✏

I was about to suggest https://hmm.st/ on behalf of Ben

> Connecting to irc.hmm.st:6697 (encrypted) > Connected to IRC server (encrypted). > ERROR: Connection closed: TLS error: Certificate validation failure: Certificate has expired qy: ?

Just to be clear, I didn't mean to recurse into searching rooms on other protocols, but make the transports themselves easily discoverable ✏

Licaon_Kter: "dammit ben"

To take an actual use case: I want RSS/Atom feeds delivered to me over xmpp. I know there's software for that, but don't wanna self-host. I'd love to just put "rss" into a service search engine and press "I'm feeling lucky" :)) ✏

Licaon_Kter: fixed

:)

mjk, !pingme 2months about the rss stuff i can understand that many people don't feel the urgent need to self-host their own server, services or bots if XMPP is to compete (at any level) with walled-garden platforms, then we (as the community) need to start making available such services that are already perceived as basic functionality elsewhere

+1000

junaid: > !pingme 2months about the rss stuff Hey, I'm not some bot, I forget stuff! :)) Otherwise, yes

mjk, i dont see you on it but you may find the jdev chat also interesting -> xmpp:jdev@muc.xmpp.org?join

Link to such software?

!ping junaid 3months about an XMPP reminder service

:D

Licaon_Kter, which software exactly?

Rss to pubsub or whatever was discussed above :))

MattJ 😁️ noted

junaid: I'm aware of that room, just trying to keep my muc count under control...

I'll try to setup my own biboumi as jabber.fr and hmmm.st can't connect to fdroid for some reason... ✏

Licaon_Kter: I actually forgot the name, would need to search even that

Licaon_Kter: re: rss to pubsub, all I'm finding is closed services with pubsubhubbub interface. :C

mjk, so I have a draft where a page gets added to sjn to advertise the only IRC gateway I got consent for (jabberfr)

but I wanted to link users to the ToS/Privacy Policy, but back then it was only available in french, which is kind of meh

I do have to write something about privacy there when I start advertising a gateway service, because they handle sensitive info like user passwords.

I already have a list of IRC gateways discovered (as you can see in the stats page). Two years ago I wrote all of them (where I could find contact info) whether they want to be listed and only the jabberfr folks replied positively ;)

I see. So, it's a matter of adding a robots.txt equivalent thing to disco to completely automate this. > I do have to write something about privacy there when I start advertising a gateway service, because they handle sensitive info like user passwords. Hmmmakes sense

Oh, I don't think I've been to your stats page, these numbers look promising! > Distribute data in a publish-subscribe manner; e.g. news, weather alerts, etc. 150

Actually, such crawl data can be a basis for a "pick a server" service, which users (or client software) could use to find suitable public server for registration, based on some criteria like availability of http upload and other features

mjk, not quite, the vantage point of s.j.n doesn't really allow to find all features a user client would care about

(such as message carbons, for instance)

something like compliance.conversations.im is better suited for that

Ah, yes, it probably doesn't dig as deep as c.c.im

A lookup API for c.c.im would be nice

jonas’: I'm happy to have irc.chinwag.im listed. It's publicly accessible.

PSA: Don't use ~sockets~Docker, stay safe https://blog.quarkslab.com/why-is-exposing-the-docker-socket-a-really-bad-idea.html

Mounting the docker socket inside a container is equivalent to granting root access to the container. Known fact. Just don't do it. Move along...? :)