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  2525. roland77 hello, the XMPP.net's observatory gives my certificate a T, how can I fix this while I can see that other servers with same signing certificate (R3 by LE) do pass
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  2529. MattJ roland77, just ignore it, it's xmpp.net's fault
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  2533. MattJ The service will probably be retired soon
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  2537. roland77 that would be very sad to hear!
  2538. roland77 https://xmpp.net/result.php?domain=f.haeder.net&type=server#certificates for instance
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  2542. MattJ With luck (i.e. effort) we will have a replacement
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  2544. roland77 I hope so because that's a very nice way to know which servers are configured correctly
  2545. MattJ It's not doing a good job at that
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  2547. MattJ Lots of the recommendations are out of date
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  2549. MattJ Which is just a way to prove that you shouldn't trust every green checkmark you find on the internet :)
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  2553. roland77 ah, okay. I then just ignore the recommendations and get an A and 90+ everywhere
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  2556. roland77 sure! 😉
  2557. MattJ At the time it was developed it was more important - OpenSSL (the library that most software uses for TLS) has very bad default settings
  2558. Licaon_Kter roland77: regenerate cert with intermediary ISRG instead of DST. Beware that Android 6 and older devices might no longer connect unless you import said cert.
  2559. Licaon_Kter Eg. https://www.stoutner.com/lets-encrypt-isrg-root-x1-and-privacy-browser/
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  2562. MattJ Events like the Snowden leaks and Heartbleed brought more attention on OpenSSL and its widespread use, and these days they have more sensible defaults. It's very uncommon to find software that is using modern OpenSSL that actually has insecure settings.
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  2566. roland77 MattJ unless someone made a mistake and configures it insecure, maybe only by accident
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  2569. MattJ Right. That's why for Prosody we generally recommend that people *don't* configure it manually. And we have recommended that for many years.
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  2575. MattJ Because the defaults are checked by us, and when people configure it manually they tend to make mistakes because they don't know what they are doing (often they copy/paste from online guides that offer terrible advice)
  2576. roland77 and SSLLabs won't test anything other than port 443 😕
  2577. MattJ testssl.sh is a recommended testing tool these days
  2578. roland77 Licaon Kter: will check it 🙂
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  2584. roland77 Mattj is it shipped with prosody?
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  2592. jonas’ roland77, no, but debian has it and you can also download it from https://testssl.sh
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  2595. jonas’ though that gives a lot of information and doesn't provide a score or similar
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  2600. roland77 jonas okay, thank you :0
  2601. roland77 🙂
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  2606. roland77 oh, no TLS 1.2/1.3 is offered. okay, I have work to do. thank you everybody here for pointing me the right direction! 🙂
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  2613. MattJ What OS/server wouldn't offer TLS 1.2?
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  2623. roland77 strange, yes. I have tlsv1_2+ in place
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  2625. Licaon_Kter And that's bad?
  2626. Licaon_Kter And that's bad? Wrong?
  2627. roland77 okay, wrong direction. I thought it ENABLES TLS versions, but it disables them 🙁
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  2630. roland77 okay, reverted to tlsv1_1
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  2632. Holger > when people configure it manually they tend to make mistakes because they don't know what they are doing 😂️
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  2636. Holger roland77, just sticking to the defaults won't do the trick?
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  2641. roland77 😀
  2642. roland77 😂️
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  2645. MattJ You'll probably enjoy Prosody 0.12 (coming soon). It has room for configuration of this stuff while making it less likely to shoot yourself in the foot.
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  2648. Holger super_secure = yes|no|maybe
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  2652. jonas’ Holger, close! something_profile = modern|intermediate
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  2654. jonas’ Holger, close! something_profile = modern|intermediate|old
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  2660. jonas’ based on the mozilla recommendations
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  2666. Holger In a perfect world this stuff would be maintained by TLS libraries.
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  2669. Holger I just use OpenSSL's `HIGH` as default in my software. If someone believes HIGH isn't high enough they should go complain to OpenSSL.
  2670. MattJ Yes
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  2672. Holger I guess in theory you could argue that some ecosystems are more likely to have to deal with outdated peers than others though.
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  2688. roland77 I killed the "protocols" all together as the default in "options" seems more promising, still no TLSv1.2+ 🙁
  2689. roland77 Testing protocols via sockets except NPN+ALPN SSLv2 not offered (OK) SSLv3 not offered (OK) TLS 1 not offered TLS 1.1 not offered TLS 1.2 not offered TLS 1.3 not offered
  2690. jonas’ roland77, did testssl print a warning above that something may be wrong?
  2691. jonas’ did you run it with --starttls xmpp?
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  2696. roland77 oh, I didn't use the later one
  2697. roland77 188.138.90.169:5269 doesn't seem to be a TLS/SSL enabled server The results might look ok but they could be nonsense. Really proceed ? ("yes" to continue) --> yes
  2698. jonas’ yeah ^ that was the warning I was talking about
  2699. jonas’ you shouldn't see that, if you see it, you called testssl incorrectly for xmpp
  2700. roland77 ah, working better now, thanks!
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  2703. jonas’ fwiw, I have a replacement for xmpp.net in the pipeline which calls testssl in the backend
  2704. roland77 that testssl is way more detailed
  2705. jonas’ it is
  2706. roland77 LUCKY13 (CVE-2013-0169), experimental potentially VULNERABLE, uses cipher block chaining (CBC) ciphers with TLS. Check patches
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  2708. roland77 okay, my daughter is here now. I better join her and play with her 🙂
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  2710. jonas’ have fun :)
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  2712. Licaon_Kter Tell her about your choice of ciphers... :)
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  2714. roland77 thanks 🙂
  2715. roland77 will do 😉
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  2767. roland77 fixed the LUCKY13 thing: ciphers = "HIGH+kEDH:HIGH+kEECDH:HIGH:!PSK:!SRP:!3DES:!aNULL:!SHA1:!SHA256:!SHA384";
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  2770. roland77 I just took the default and added the !SHA1 thingy 🙂
  2771. jonas’ are there any ciphers left after that? :)
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  2773. jonas’ note that CBC is always vulnerable, AIUI ("check patches")
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  2829. roland77 is there any difference between using R3 and XSRG?
  2830. jonas’ yes.
  2831. jonas’ ISRG locks android <= 6 devices out
  2832. jonas’ R3 locks android <= 6 devices out
  2833. roland77 ah, okay
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  2838. jonas’ ISRG locks android <= 6 devices out
  2839. jonas’ sorry, I always mix that up
  2840. roland77 but I might not have to worry about it as my server is limited to their users (only 2, including me) 🙂
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  2849. Holger X3 locks out OpenSSL 1.0.2, for example.
  2850. Holger https://letsencrypt.org/2020/12/21/extending-android-compatibility.html vs.: https://www.openssl.org/blog/blog/2021/09/13/LetsEncryptRootCertExpire/
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  2856. jonas’ even debian oldoldstable has 1.1.x tho
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  2860. Holger Even my oldest phone has Android 7 tho 😉
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  2863. jonas’ my oldest phone has android 4.4
  2864. jonas’ and even that was an experimental update
  2865. Holger You're right and I'm wrong.
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  2868. jonas’ nobody said anything which is objectively wrong :)
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  2917. roland77 next stop: courier -> dovecot replacement as courier uses TLSv1.1 (looks like no 1.2+ support)
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  3030. Holger Courier!
  3031. Holger So you skipped Cyrus 🙂
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  3067. roland77 I need MySQL support as my authentication data is such database
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  3071. roland77 and mails are ordered in /var/mail/virtual/$domain/$user
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  3079. ij Maybe considering migration from sql to ldap as auth backend would be a good idea as well...
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  3082. ij I don't regret the migration myself
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  3090. huhn Is there any public libera irc-xmpp gateway available?
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  3097. Menel Other way round, there are many.. (Xmpp--irc)
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  3102. huhn oops i meant xmpp-irc
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  3114. Menel E.g. https://irc.jabberfr.org/
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  3119. huhn thx
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  3122. Menel The syntax is on that site as example. Don't forget the #
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  3128. Menel Its always #room%irchost@thegatewayxmppserver.tld
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  3135. Menel Join as you join any open room
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  3340. jonas’ Prosody 0.11.12 released, security update for remote unauthenticated Denial of Service via websockets: https://prosody.im/security/advisory_20220113/
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  3365. moparisthebest jonas’, what version does `prosodyctl shell module unload websocket` work on? I had to `telnet 127.0.0.1 5582` and run `module:unload('websocket')` instead
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  3371. jonas’ that would probably have been worth differentiating
  3372. jonas’ I'll post a note
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  3375. moparisthebest +1
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  3393. jonas’ follow up sent, thanks
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