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roland77 11:34:17
hello, the XMPP.net's observatory gives my certificate a T, how can I fix this while I can see that other servers with same signing certificate (R3 by LE) do pass
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MattJ 11:35:03
roland77, just ignore it, it's xmpp.net's fault
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MattJ 11:35:19
The service will probably be retired soon
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roland77 11:35:39
that would be very sad to hear!
roland77 11:35:44
https://xmpp.net/result.php?domain=f.haeder.net&type=server#certificates for instance
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MattJ 11:36:00
With luck (i.e. effort) we will have a replacement
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roland77 11:36:37
I hope so because that's a very nice way to know which servers are configured correctly
MattJ 11:36:44
It's not doing a good job at that
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MattJ 11:36:52
Lots of the recommendations are out of date
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MattJ 11:37:19
Which is just a way to prove that you shouldn't trust every green checkmark you find on the internet :)
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roland77 11:37:35
ah, okay. I then just ignore the recommendations and get an A and 90+ everywhere
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roland77 11:37:47
sure! 😉
MattJ 11:38:14
At the time it was developed it was more important - OpenSSL (the library that most software uses for TLS) has very bad default settings
Licaon_Kter 11:38:17
roland77: regenerate cert with intermediary ISRG instead of DST. Beware that Android 6 and older devices might no longer connect unless you import said cert.
Licaon_Kter 11:39:10
Eg. https://www.stoutner.com/lets-encrypt-isrg-root-x1-and-privacy-browser/
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MattJ 11:39:34
Events like the Snowden leaks and Heartbleed brought more attention on OpenSSL and its widespread use, and these days they have more sensible defaults. It's very uncommon to find software that is using modern OpenSSL that actually has insecure settings.
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roland77 11:40:36
MattJ unless someone made a mistake and configures it insecure, maybe only by accident
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MattJ 11:41:01
Right. That's why for Prosody we generally recommend that people *don't* configure it manually. And we have recommended that for many years.
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MattJ 11:41:43
Because the defaults are checked by us, and when people configure it manually they tend to make mistakes because they don't know what they are doing (often they copy/paste from online guides that offer terrible advice)
roland77 11:41:52
and SSLLabs won't test anything other than port 443 😕
MattJ 11:42:07
testssl.sh is a recommended testing tool these days
roland77 11:42:34
Licaon Kter: will check it 🙂
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roland77 11:43:02
Mattj is it shipped with prosody?
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jonas’ 11:43:53
roland77, no, but debian has it and you can also download it from https://testssl.sh
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jonas’ 11:44:16
though that gives a lot of information and doesn't provide a score or similar
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roland77 11:44:53
jonas okay, thank you :0
roland77 11:44:55
🙂
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roland77 11:47:35
oh, no TLS 1.2/1.3 is offered. okay, I have work to do. thank you everybody here for pointing me the right direction! 🙂
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MattJ 11:48:35
What OS/server wouldn't offer TLS 1.2?
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roland77 11:50:40
strange, yes. I have tlsv1_2+ in place
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Licaon_Kter 11:50:52
~~And that's bad?~~ ✎
Licaon_Kter 11:51:00
And that's bad? Wrong? ✏
roland77 11:51:40
okay, wrong direction. I thought it ENABLES TLS versions, but it disables them 🙁
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roland77 11:52:02
okay, reverted to tlsv1_1
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Holger 11:52:19
> when people configure it manually they tend to make mistakes because they don't know what they are doing 😂️
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Holger 11:52:42
roland77, just sticking to the defaults won't do the trick?
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roland77 11:53:33
😀 ✎
roland77 11:53:51
😂️ ✏
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MattJ 11:55:13
You'll probably enjoy Prosody 0.12 (coming soon). It has room for configuration of this stuff while making it less likely to shoot yourself in the foot.
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Holger 11:55:40
super_secure = yes|no|maybe
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jonas’ 11:56:16
~~Holger, close! something_profile = modern|intermediate~~ ✎
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jonas’ 11:56:28
Holger, close! something_profile = modern|intermediate|old ✏
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jonas’ 11:56:43
based on the mozilla recommendations
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Holger 11:57:11
In a perfect world this stuff would be maintained by TLS libraries.
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Holger 11:57:55
I just use OpenSSL's `HIGH` as default in my software. If someone believes HIGH isn't high enough they should go complain to OpenSSL.
MattJ 11:58:18
Yes
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Holger 11:58:53
I guess in theory you could argue that some ecosystems are more likely to have to deal with outdated peers than others though.
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roland77 12:03:51
I killed the "protocols" all together as the default in "options" seems more promising, still no TLSv1.2+ 🙁
roland77 12:04:01
Testing protocols via sockets except NPN+ALPN SSLv2 not offered (OK) SSLv3 not offered (OK) TLS 1 not offered TLS 1.1 not offered TLS 1.2 not offered TLS 1.3 not offered
jonas’ 12:04:48
roland77, did testssl print a warning above that something may be wrong?
jonas’ 12:04:54
did you run it with --starttls xmpp?
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roland77 12:06:41
oh, I didn't use the later one
roland77 12:06:55
188.138.90.169:5269 doesn't seem to be a TLS/SSL enabled server The results might look ok but they could be nonsense. Really proceed ? ("yes" to continue) --> yes
jonas’ 12:07:04
yeah ^ that was the warning I was talking about
jonas’ 12:07:11
you shouldn't see that, if you see it, you called testssl incorrectly for xmpp
roland77 12:07:37
ah, working better now, thanks!
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jonas’ 12:08:05
fwiw, I have a replacement for xmpp.net in the pipeline which calls testssl in the backend
roland77 12:08:05
that testssl is way more detailed
jonas’ 12:08:07
it is
roland77 12:08:52
LUCKY13 (CVE-2013-0169), experimental potentially VULNERABLE, uses cipher block chaining (CBC) ciphers with TLS. Check patches
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roland77 12:09:14
okay, my daughter is here now. I better join her and play with her 🙂
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jonas’ 12:09:19
have fun :)
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Licaon_Kter 12:09:35
Tell her about your choice of ciphers... :)
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roland77 12:09:39
thanks 🙂
roland77 12:09:41
will do 😉
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roland77 12:24:19
fixed the LUCKY13 thing: ciphers = "HIGH+kEDH:HIGH+kEECDH:HIGH:!PSK:!SRP:!3DES:!aNULL:!SHA1:!SHA256:!SHA384";
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roland77 12:24:33
I just took the default and added the !SHA1 thingy 🙂
jonas’ 12:24:42
are there any ciphers left after that? :)
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jonas’ 12:25:12
note that CBC is always vulnerable, AIUI ("check patches")
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roland77 12:39:56
is there any difference between using R3 and XSRG?
jonas’ 12:40:07
yes.
jonas’ 12:40:17
~~ISRG locks android <= 6 devices out~~ ✎
jonas’ 12:40:24
R3 locks android <= 6 devices out ✏
roland77 12:40:40
ah, okay
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jonas’ 12:41:08
ISRG locks android <= 6 devices out ✏
jonas’ 12:41:13
sorry, I always mix that up
roland77 12:41:20
but I might not have to worry about it as my server is limited to their users (only 2, including me) 🙂
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Holger 12:44:57
X3 locks out OpenSSL 1.0.2, for example.
Holger 12:45:12
https://letsencrypt.org/2020/12/21/extending-android-compatibility.html vs.: https://www.openssl.org/blog/blog/2021/09/13/LetsEncryptRootCertExpire/
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jonas’ 12:45:48
even debian oldoldstable has 1.1.x tho
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Holger 12:46:16
Even my oldest phone has Android 7 tho 😉
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jonas’ 12:46:26
my oldest phone has android 4.4
jonas’ 12:46:33
and even that was an experimental update
Holger 12:46:44
You're right and I'm wrong.
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jonas’ 12:46:58
nobody said anything which is objectively wrong :)
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roland77 13:03:07
next stop: courier -> dovecot replacement as courier uses TLSv1.1 (looks like no 1.2+ support)
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Holger 13:21:45
Courier!
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So you skipped Cyrus 🙂
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I need MySQL support as my authentication data is such database
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and mails are ordered in /var/mail/virtual/$domain/$user
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ij 13:30:08
Maybe considering migration from sql to ldap as auth backend would be a good idea as well...
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I don't regret the migration myself
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Is there any public libera irc-xmpp gateway available?
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Other way round, there are many.. (Xmpp--irc)
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oops i meant xmpp-irc
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E.g. https://irc.jabberfr.org/
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thx
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The syntax is on that site as example. Don't forget the #
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Its always #room%irchost@thegatewayxmppserver.tld
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Join as you join any open room
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jonas’ 14:15:11
Prosody 0.11.12 released, security update for remote unauthenticated Denial of Service via websockets: https://prosody.im/security/advisory_20220113/
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moparisthebest 14:20:12
jonas’, what version does `prosodyctl shell module unload websocket` work on? I had to `telnet 127.0.0.1 5582` and run `module:unload('websocket')` instead
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jonas’ 14:20:18
trunk
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jonas’ 14:20:36
that would probably have been worth differentiating
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I'll post a note
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+1
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jonas’ 14:23:22
follow up sent, thanks
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