XMPP Service Operators - 2022-02-08


  1. lurker

    Hi. At the risk of ruining own nickname... I have a sudden problem sending offline messages to a contact at creep.im, is the admin around? Conversations reports: > Your contact offline message queue is full. The message has been discarded. even though I've sent no more than a single message since they last been online. Possibly related is that the error appeared after a period of silently being unable to send the message at all: Conversations shown the status of "sending..." since yesterday.

  2. lurker

    Could it be that the client tried to re-send too many times, without the server responding but silently putting the message into the queue?

  3. jonas’

    or maybe they have been a victim of a spam attack and their queue is now full until they log in, to be drowned in spam

  4. lurker

    jonas’: Hmmm, possible, I guess, but unlikely: I don't think they published their address anywhere, as I suspect they use it only for contacting me :)

  5. Licaon_Kter

    I've pinged the admin directly just in case

  6. Licaon_Kter

    I've pinged the admin directly just in case they don't come here often

  7. MattJ

    It could also happen if offline messages are disabled, or the server disk is full, or the database is broken, or...

  8. lurker

    Licaon_Kter: thanks a bunch!

  9. lurker

    Offline messages worked before, and it is unlikely the contact fiddled with archival settings, so seems more of a server-side issue

  10. lurker

    Oh, and they do use Pidgin btw. Yeah. I'm just assuming it shouldn't be able to break offline queue on the server

  11. Menel

    does pidgin to mam?

  12. Licaon_Kter

    lurker: first of all, ask them ta upgrade to a newer than 2018 client like Gajim or Dino :)

  13. lurker

    Menel: you mean, can it into MAM? I don't think so

  14. lurker

    Licaon_Kter: I tried... Will try more, though

  15. Licaon_Kter

    Daaamittttt (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

  16. Licaon_Kter

    :))

  17. Menel

    Can pidgin into mam?, yeah :)

  18. lurker

    Now I have to _catch_ them online, unless this is fixable admin-side

  19. mjk

    Hey! Pidgin was updated last september. Not sure it helps tho

  20. Licaon_Kter

    mjk: why is everyone repeating that nonesense. No... The xmpp support of Pidgin is pre 2018 at its best. Random .x.x.x fixups don't matter.

  21. mjk

    Licaon_Kter: ahhh, I see. So yea, doesn't help definitely

  22. mjk

    Martin: the dino-win room seems to be down, perhaps the whole server is :)

  23. Martin

    Huh, if the server is down I couldn't read here.

  24. Martin

    mjk: I see you joined there…

  25. mjk

    Martin: those are my ghosts :))

  26. mjk

    Neither of my two accounts can connect (don't see the participants list, for example)

  27. mjk

    Oh, rejoined, and now it works

  28. Martin

    Hmm.

  29. Martin

    You're using creep.im?

  30. mjk

    One of the two, yes, but the other couldn't join either

  31. Martin

    Looks like their IPv4 is broken. Maybe that's causing issues (although my IPv6 is working)…

  32. mjk

    (With the mjk_ nickname)

  33. MSavoritias (she,they)

    Martin: of creep.im? I have a friend who uses it

  34. MSavoritias (she,they)

    Maybe thats why he isnot able to connect the last few days

  35. Martin

    MSavoritias (she,they): yes

  36. mjk

    Creep does seem to have issues recently, but strange that I couldn't join from another server

  37. Martin

    > xmpp-dns -ct creep.im > xmpp-client creep.im. 5222 > Priority: 10 Weight: 0 > IP: 54.36.182.250 > Connection: [Not OK] > dial tcp4 54.36.182.250:5222: i/o timeout > > xmpps-client creep.im. 443 > Priority: 10 Weight: 0 > IP: 54.36.182.250 > Connection: [OK] > StartTLS: [Not OK] > Received EOF during handshake.

  38. Martin

    Hmm, they don't even have v6.

  39. Martin

    mjk: I see only one of your accounts in dino-win. What server is the other one using?

  40. Martin

    xmpp.net also fails to connect to creep.im: https://xmpp.net/result.php?domain=creep.im&type=client

  41. mjk

    I feel connected though

  42. Martin

    Weird. Maybe it just doesn't want new connections. ^^

  43. mjk

    naw, I purposely reconnected. weird stuff

  44. Martin

    BTW, xmpp-server and xmpps-server at the same port looks wrong too: > xmpp-dns -s creep.im > xmpp-server creep.im. 5269 > Priority: 10 Weight: 0 > > xmpps-server creep.im. 5269 > Priority: 10 Weight: 0

  45. moparisthebest

    Why? Hopefully they multiplex there...

  46. moparisthebest

    Same priority seems wrong though

  47. Martin

    You do weird things to do starttls and direct tls on the same port? o.O

  48. Martin

    I think it's more probably a wrong record.

  49. Martin

    > xmpps-server creep.im. 5269 > Priority: 10 Weight: 0 > IP: 54.36.182.250 > Connection: [OK] > TLS: [Not OK] > tls: first record does not look like a TLS handshak

  50. Martin

    Lost one `e` in the copypasta… :(

  51. moparisthebest

    That's not weird it's basically recommended, I have https, xmpps, XMPP, imaps, smtps, dot and more all on port 443

  52. Martin still finds it weird.

  53. Martin

    Why would you do such things on a server port?

  54. moparisthebest

    https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Tech_pages/XEP-0368

  55. Martin

    I can understand this on client ports as people run all sort of weird firewalls.

  56. moparisthebest

    Martin: so you can still connect to all your services from crappy networks

  57. moparisthebest

    Oh right s2s, but there no reason not to

  58. Martin

    Why make it complicated if there is no need to?

  59. moparisthebest

    Which is more complicated

  60. moparisthebest

    You already have a multiplexer listening on a port, use it

  61. Martin

    Also I don't think your theory that this is intentional doesn't make sense as they put xmpp-server and xmpps-server on 5269.

  62. Martin

    So if they want their server reachable from crappy servers in the airport wifi they'd put it on 443 or something usually open. :)

  63. moparisthebest

    Right I agree it doesn't make sense in this case, people do it for the green check though :'(

  64. Martin

    ^^

  65. Licaon_Kter

    https://upload.convorb.im/7c370453f738f2c0c995eaee643e5e0aba76aeb0/VWV5CMFsGu2leUpEWruwJBleR1jd4WNXUehku13R/HA_Y2l4cTbSegFE2m8N1Qg.jpg

  66. Licaon_Kter

    I've literally talked with them last week...wtf

  67. Martin

    This module… 🙄

  68. lurker

    That doesn't look promising :D

  69. lurker

    Oh wow my message worked

  70. lurker

    Here, I mean

  71. lurker

    Just felt like a miracle, sorry for spam

  72. rq77

    do anyone know the status of xmpp.net?

  73. moparisthebest

    Poor

  74. rq77

    does someone plan a replacement?

  75. moparisthebest

    Yes https://xmpp.net/preview/

  76. rq77

    thank you

  77. rq77

    is xsf behind that site?

  78. jonas’

    not more or less than behind xmpp.net (which is "not that much", actually)

  79. jonas’

    it happens to run on XSF infrastructure

  80. rq77

    I see, thanks jonas

  81. moparisthebest

    Yes!