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lurker 10:30:12
Hi. At the risk of ruining own nickname... I have a sudden problem sending offline messages to a contact at creep.im, is the admin around? Conversations reports: > Your contact offline message queue is full. The message has been discarded. even though I've sent no more than a single message since they last been online. Possibly related is that the error appeared after a period of silently being unable to send the message at all: Conversations shown the status of "sending..." since yesterday.
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Could it be that the client tried to re-send too many times, without the server responding but silently putting the message into the queue?
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jonas’ 10:35:12
or maybe they have been a victim of a spam attack and their queue is now full until they log in, to be drowned in spam
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lurker 10:37:29
jonas’: Hmmm, possible, I guess, but unlikely: I don't think they published their address anywhere, as I suspect they use it only for contacting me :)
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~~I've pinged the admin directly just in case~~ ✎
Licaon_Kter 10:40:06
I've pinged the admin directly just in case they don't come here often ✏
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MattJ 10:40:13
It could also happen if offline messages are disabled, or the server disk is full, or the database is broken, or...
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Licaon_Kter: thanks a bunch!
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Offline messages worked before, and it is unlikely the contact fiddled with archival settings, so seems more of a server-side issue
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lurker 10:45:50
Oh, and they do use Pidgin btw. Yeah. I'm just assuming it shouldn't be able to break offline queue on the server
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Menel 10:47:09
~~does pidgin to mam?~~ ✎
Licaon_Kter 10:48:22
lurker: first of all, ask them ta upgrade to a newer than 2018 client like Gajim or Dino :)
lurker 10:48:29
Menel: you mean, can it into MAM? I don't think so
lurker 10:48:59
Licaon_Kter: I tried... Will try more, though
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Licaon_Kter 10:49:11
Daaamittttt (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
Licaon_Kter 10:49:15
:))
Menel 10:50:04
Can pidgin into mam?, yeah :) ✏
lurker 10:50:46
Now I have to _catch_ them online, unless this is fixable admin-side
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Hey! Pidgin was updated last september. Not sure it helps tho
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Licaon_Kter 11:02:29
mjk: why is everyone repeating that nonesense. No... The xmpp support of Pidgin is pre 2018 at its best. Random .x.x.x fixups don't matter.
mjk 11:04:02
Licaon_Kter: ahhh, I see. So yea, doesn't help definitely
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mjk 17:19:14
Martin: the dino-win room seems to be down, perhaps the whole server is :)
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Martin 17:24:17
Huh, if the server is down I couldn't read here.
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Martin 17:24:56
mjk: I see you joined there…
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mjk 17:26:11
Martin: those are my ghosts :))
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mjk 17:26:48
Neither of my two accounts can connect (don't see the participants list, for example)
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mjk 17:27:58
Oh, rejoined, and now it works
Martin 17:28:24
Hmm.
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Martin 17:29:50
You're using creep.im?
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mjk 17:30:28
One of the two, yes, but the other couldn't join either
Martin 17:30:38
Looks like their IPv4 is broken. Maybe that's causing issues (although my IPv6 is working)…
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(With the mjk_ nickname)
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MSavoritias (she,they) 17:31:08
Martin: of creep.im? I have a friend who uses it
MSavoritias (she,they) 17:31:26
Maybe thats why he isnot able to connect the last few days
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Martin 17:31:48
MSavoritias (she,they): yes
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mjk 17:32:38
Creep does seem to have issues recently, but strange that I couldn't join from another server
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Martin 17:32:41
> xmpp-dns -ct creep.im > xmpp-client creep.im. 5222 > Priority: 10 Weight: 0 > IP: 54.36.182.250 > Connection: [Not OK] > dial tcp4 54.36.182.250:5222: i/o timeout > > xmpps-client creep.im. 443 > Priority: 10 Weight: 0 > IP: 54.36.182.250 > Connection: [OK] > StartTLS: [Not OK] > Received EOF during handshake.
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Martin 17:33:14
Hmm, they don't even have v6.
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Martin 17:34:07
mjk: I see only one of your accounts in dino-win. What server is the other one using?
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Martin 17:39:12
xmpp.net also fails to connect to creep.im: https://xmpp.net/result.php?domain=creep.im&type=client
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mjk 17:41:02
I feel connected though
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Martin 17:41:31
Weird. Maybe it just doesn't want new connections. ^^
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naw, I purposely reconnected. weird stuff
Martin 17:48:54
BTW, xmpp-server and xmpps-server at the same port looks wrong too: > xmpp-dns -s creep.im > xmpp-server creep.im. 5269 > Priority: 10 Weight: 0 > > xmpps-server creep.im. 5269 > Priority: 10 Weight: 0
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moparisthebest 17:50:32
Why? Hopefully they multiplex there...
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moparisthebest 17:51:15
Same priority seems wrong though
Martin 17:51:23
You do weird things to do starttls and direct tls on the same port? o.O
Martin 17:51:57
I think it's more probably a wrong record.
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Martin 17:52:15
> xmpps-server creep.im. 5269 > Priority: 10 Weight: 0 > IP: 54.36.182.250 > Connection: [OK] > TLS: [Not OK] > tls: first record does not look like a TLS handshak
Martin 17:52:34
Lost one `e` in the copypasta… :(
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moparisthebest 17:52:53
That's not weird it's basically recommended, I have https, xmpps, XMPP, imaps, smtps, dot and more all on port 443
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Martin still finds it weird. 17:53:24
Martin 17:53:44
Why would you do such things on a server port?
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moparisthebest 17:54:05
https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Tech_pages/XEP-0368
Martin 17:54:10
I can understand this on client ports as people run all sort of weird firewalls.
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moparisthebest 17:54:36
Martin: so you can still connect to all your services from crappy networks
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moparisthebest 17:54:50
Oh right s2s, but there no reason not to
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Martin 17:55:06
Why make it complicated if there is no need to?
moparisthebest 17:55:24
Which is more complicated
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moparisthebest 17:56:04
You already have a multiplexer listening on a port, use it
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Martin 17:56:55
Also I don't think your theory that this is intentional doesn't make sense as they put xmpp-server and xmpps-server on 5269.
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Martin 17:57:26
So if they want their server reachable from crappy servers in the airport wifi they'd put it on 443 or something usually open. :)
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moparisthebest 17:57:58
Right I agree it doesn't make sense in this case, people do it for the green check though :'(
Martin 17:58:10
^^
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Licaon_Kter 18:16:22
https://upload.convorb.im/7c370453f738f2c0c995eaee643e5e0aba76aeb0/VWV5CMFsGu2leUpEWruwJBleR1jd4WNXUehku13R/HA_Y2l4cTbSegFE2m8N1Qg.jpg
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Licaon_Kter 18:16:52
I've literally talked with them last week...wtf
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Martin 18:19:32
This module… 🙄
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lurker 18:27:34
That doesn't look promising :D
lurker 18:27:59
Oh wow my message worked
lurker 18:28:12
Here, I mean
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lurker 18:30:02
Just felt like a miracle, sorry for spam
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rq77 20:13:55
do anyone know the status of xmpp.net?
moparisthebest 20:14:04
Poor
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rq77 20:14:33
does someone plan a replacement?
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moparisthebest 20:15:14
~~Yes https://xmpp.net/preview/~~ ✎
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rq77 20:16:03
thank you
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rq77 20:18:55
is xsf behind that site?
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jonas’ 20:19:52
not more or less than behind xmpp.net (which is "not that much", actually)
jonas’ 20:20:02
it happens to run on XSF infrastructure
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rq77 20:20:53
I see, thanks jonas
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moparisthebest 20:21:46
Yes! ✏
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