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  1100. rozzin This "postfix+dovecot" tangent reminds of https://www.justinbuchanan.com/blog/posts/Application-Specific-Passwords-for-Dovecot-and-Postfix Anyone doing the "application-specific passwords" thing with your XMPP service?
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  1139. Neustradamus rozzin: Dovecot supports SCRAM: https://doc.dovecot.org/configuration_manual/authentication/authentication_mechanisms/ Cyrus SASL supports SCRAM: https://www.cyrusimap.org/sasl/sasl/authentication_mechanisms.html Postfix with Dovecot or Cyrus SASL too, more informations here: https://github.com/scram-sasl/info/issues/1
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  1141. moparisthebest what does SCRAM have to do with this
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  1160. Licaon_Kter > https://www.justinbuchanan.com/blog/posts/Application-Specific-Passwords-for-Dovecot-and-Postfix I find the threat model dump, wtf
  1161. Licaon_Kter > https://www.justinbuchanan.com/blog/posts/Application-Specific-Passwords-for-Dovecot-and-Postfix I find the threat model dumb, wtf
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  1164. rozzin Licaon_Kter: yeah, I agree that this sounds pretty dumb: > I always hate the feeling of using any of my username and password combinations on sketchy public computer somewhere. You know the kind I am talking about, those computers at hotels running Windows XP and IE6, signed as "Adminstrator", with every toolbar and add-on installed from a 9 year old version of Real Player to three different versions of some Internet poker game. There's bound to be a key logger in there someplace. > One time use passwords have been around for a long time to mitigate this type of scenario.
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  1167. rozzin Licaon_Kter: but he goes someplace interesting/useful even if he started the journey for the wrong reasons.
  1168. Licaon_Kter Yeah...maybe...it feels like a solution in search of a problem
  1169. rozzin Just pretend that he said something like "it's going to be annoying resetting the password in every client program on every device I use if ever my smartphone is stolen" or whatever other reason sounds more reasonable to you.
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  1171. rozzin Certificate-based login also serves the same sort of purposes, I guess....
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  1308. Link Mauve Licaon_Kter, in 2012 it wasn’t as common to have a smartphone I think.
  1309. Link Mauve Even more recently, I’ve had to use one such computer.
  1310. Link Mauve Thankfully I hadn’t restricted all of my servers to certificates, or else I wouldn’t have been able to contact the person I had to contact.
  1311. Licaon_Kter Link Mauve: they say phone and typing on it, that confuses me
  1312. Link Mauve I only read the quote rozzin pasted.
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  1872. croax moparisthebest: > what does SCRAM have to do with this SCRAM does not mandate credentials to contain the password. Nor exchanges. Nevertheless, reusing password is bad considering that passwords may leak by any other mean.
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  1876. croax moparisthebest: > what does SCRAM have to do with this SCRAM does not mandate credentials database to contain the password. Nor exchanges. Nevertheless, reusing password is bad considering that passwords may leak by any other mean.
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  1884. Licaon_Kter So you reject any new password that has a hit on haveibeenpwd dot com?
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  1959. croax Licaon_Kter: I'm not sure to follow. But if the goal is to block some user passwords, you could still check for a match. More costly, I presume
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  1962. croax Licaon_Kter: I'm not sure to follow. But if the goal is to block some user passwords, you could still check for a match. Wasting more CPU, I presume
  1963. Licaon_Kter Was more of a joke as that would force users to some longish pass words, battery, stapler, horse, etc
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  2674. rozzin Eh, if I want to pick issues to have, I guess I mostly have trouble with the conclusion of that paragraph: > One time use passwords have been around for a long time to mitigate *this type of scenario*. To me, it seems to like, no mitigating the damage done by intentionally giving a known-malicious MITM access to a login session into a security-sensitive system is actually *not* what one-time passwords or multifactor-authentication requirements are for....
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