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  2145. moparisthebest well this seems absolutely fatal for every XMPP server on the internet that uses OpenSSL https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv/20220315.txt update soon?
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  2153. pup ART 'Users of these versions should upgrade to OpenSSL 3.0 or 1.1.1.'
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  2162. Holger 1.0.2zd, I'll miss their versioning scheme when 1.x is dead!
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  2164. Licaon_Kter _Premium versioning schemes_
  2165. moparisthebest Soon: 1.0.2zzzzzzzzz
  2166. mjk Eternal slumber
  2167. moparisthebest Guess I'll finally slap rustls in front of my server later instead of upgrading...
  2168. pup ART OpenSSL high volunablity https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv/20220315.txt
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  2172. Holger moparisthebest: 0.x versions for the win!
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  2174. Holger > There are no major breaking interface changes envisioned after the set included in the 0.20 release. Wouldn't SemVer suggest 1.0 then?
  2175. jonas’ moparisthebest, I wouldn't call a remote unauthenticated DoS "absolutely fatal". A remote unauthenticated code execution, *that's* absolutely fatal.
  2176. jonas’ you had me scared there for a second.
  2177. moparisthebest jonas’: I mean, you can cripple the entire public federated XMPP network I'd guess
  2178. jonas’ sure, but then people will update and restart their servers.
  2179. jonas’ that's ok
  2180. moparisthebest You are right RCE would be worse, I'd still call this fatal
  2181. jonas’ absoutely fatal has some absolute fatalism to me and the bare possibility of a worse bug precludes the use of that term :)
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  2187. moparisthebest Well there's always a worse bug... :D
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  2204. Holger FWIW I also went "huh did I misread their announcement, wasn't it just DoS?".
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  2222. Menel Debian has only 1.1.1.k?
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  2225. mjk ...if not patched much earlier
  2226. Licaon_Kter moparisthebest: only xmpp?
  2227. mjk Licaon_Kter: I mean, who does TLS with SMTP?
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  2230. jonas’ or HTTP for that matter
  2231. jonas’ Menel, for debian, see https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2022-0778
  2232. moparisthebest It's almost only XMPP
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  2234. moparisthebest You can't force an arbitrary https or SMTP server to parse a certificate of your choosing
  2235. moparisthebest Where as you can force any XMPP server that does s2s to do it
  2236. jonas’ moparisthebest, clients though.
  2237. mjk > or HTTP for that matter Yeah, not that many http servers accept client certs, I think
  2238. MattJ And SMTP servers don't?
  2239. mjk *Clients accessing evil.com
  2240. MattJ "My browser is using 100% CPU... that's never happened before, oh no"
  2241. mjk xD
  2242. jonas’ well, it would be interesting to have something other than ublock origin eat a CPU core for a change
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  2244. moparisthebest SMTP doesn't authenticate certificates at all by default
  2245. Menel jonas’: thanks. Got confused but of course.. Debian stable not updating the version "number"
  2246. MattJ moparisthebest: does it need to authenticate using them, or only parse them?
  2247. jonas’ moparisthebest, for certain definitions of "by default"
  2248. moparisthebest MattJ: just parse, but they wouldn't accept client certs at all I suspect
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  2262. Holger > It's almost only XMPP Matrix!
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  2267. mjk Oh yeah, there's that other ~homeserver~ federated protocol
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  2313. moparisthebest Holger: do they do client cert auth for s2s? It wouldn't surprise me I just don't know anything about it
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  2499. Holger moparisthebest: I had no idea and was hoping someone would tell us 😁 Seems the answer is no: > Requests are authenticated at the HTTP layer rather than at the TLS layer because HTTP services like Matrix are often deployed behind load balancers that handle the TLS and these load balancers make it difficult to check TLS client certificates. They then go on saying "if you like just do it nevertheless" (not sure how that's supposed to be useful): > A homeserver may provide a TLS client certificate and the receiving homeserver may check that the client certificate matches the certificate of the origin homeserver.
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  2506. moparisthebest Holger, could someone running a matrix homeserver tell between a pinned CPU and normal use though?
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  2508. Holger Heh.
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