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  565. smooth_operator i use arch btw so of course i have bidi on!
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  578. Licaon_Kter smooth_operator: > i use arch btw Be gone daemon!!!!!
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  580. smooth_operator your loss ;)
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  585. moparisthebest smooth_operator: https://www.moparisthebest.com/images/i-only-use-arch-linux.png
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  601. smooth_operator lol. so i was looking at https://xmpp.net "IM Observatory". it says it's unmaintained. is there a replacement?
  602. smooth_operator disheartening to see (in the last 30 days): - 40% of servers support TLS 1.0 - only 65% require TLS for s2s
  603. moparisthebest yes but I've been forbidden from sharing the URL because it's not yet ready :D
  604. moparisthebest I wouldn't trust any of those stats, iirc it can't even handshake with modern TLS servers
  605. smooth_operator yeah i did see tls 1.2 is its limit
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  607. smooth_operator cool well can you hurry it up ;)
  608. smooth_operator the replacement?
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  612. Menel In reality, my sever connects to ever server via tls1.3 and all have valid certs. Except maybe two with tls1.2
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  617. smooth_operator i see the same so far. but downgrade attacks are probably a thing
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  622. moparisthebest shouldn't be, that was mitigated maybe a decade ago at this point
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  626. smooth_operator like preventing a server from doing tls 1.2 and making it fallback to 1.0, stuff like that is possible right?
  627. smooth_operator assuming the servers haven't explicitly disable <tls1.2
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  630. Menel But we have
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  633. moparisthebest nope that shouldn't be possible since about a decade ago
  634. Menel Its Prosody default
  635. moparisthebest I think it dates from the POODLE days https://crashtest-security.com/enable-tls-fallback-scsv/
  636. moparisthebest ok openssl added support in 2014 so 8 years not 10 sue me :D https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv/20141015.txt
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  639. MattJ https://blog.prosody.im/prosody-0-9-6-released/
  640. MattJ Yes, 2014 :)
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  655. smooth_operator hmm maybe i'm stuck in the 2010s
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  666. smooth_operator the 35% of servers that don't require TLS over s2s still means encryption isn't as ubiquous. i don't see why an op wouldn't want it
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  668. smooth_operator (35% of servers tested by xmpp.net over the past 30 days)
  669. moparisthebest But I think that's wrong, it's broken so it can only talk to servers without encryption or with very old encryption
  670. Menel Maybe fallback? As long as your sever requires encryption z it will never be a problem for you
  671. moparisthebest So it can't talk with most of the network which is very secure
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  674. moparisthebest Yea my server has required TLS everywhere since probably 2014 and I've never met a server I couldn't talk to, except Gmail back then, but that's gone
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  678. smooth_operator oh okay, if those stats are wrong, it would be invalid to draw conclusions, so i retract
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  686. smooth_operator when i first got my server up (on 0.11), i thought it supported tls 1.0. then i upgraded to 0.12 and set the profile to modern, which restricts to tls 1.3 only
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  689. smooth_operator (0.11 / 0.12 prosody)
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  696. smooth_operator tools like the observatory, ssllabs, etc are good to verify. otherwise some researcher will find a bug and act like they are able to compromise the whole network
  697. Menel You can use ssllabs if you enable direct TLS on port 443. And test your sever.. Or just so it yourself better with testssl.sh
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  699. smooth_operator yeah i get that, but i don't wanna only help myself
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  701. Menel Others is helped with default config of ejabberd and prosody. And if one messes around with it, one should be able to check it too
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  704. smooth_operator right. so let's make the default TLS_CHACHA20_POLY1305_SHA256, Ed25519 certs, X25519, and we can go home early today? ;)
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  708. Menel Minus chacha that is my default
  709. moparisthebest keep in mind some run ~~lesser~~stable distros that won't have those things for *years*
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  712. moparisthebest it's best to stick with mozilla TLS recommendations which are good and improve with time
  713. smooth_operator shoulda used arch
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  715. Menel But I want to do s2s even with tls1.2 only servers. Its secure enough. (Otherwise you put omemo on top anyways)
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  717. Menel And who knows if curves are more secure then rsa 4096 certs? Quantum secure etc. (Just for your angst) 😀
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  719. Licaon_Kter Ecdscadsa12345
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  722. jonas’ for testing, you can also use https://xmpp.net/preview/. should be slightly better than the plain one, but not as polished yet
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  724. Licaon_Kter testssl.sh can cope with xmpp iirc
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  726. moparisthebest jonas’, possible that should just be made the default regardless, those unencrypted+tls 1.0 stats are pretty scary if you don't realize the reason
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  729. jonas’ Licaon_Kter: testssl.sh is the backend to the new xmpp.net thing
  730. Menel Nice, minus the old _xmppconnect
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  737. Licaon_Kter jonas’: oooj
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  748. smooth_operator jonas’: cool thanks!
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  755. smooth_operator just wondering: is there like a security standards group in the xmpp community?
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  757. jonas’ not sure if there's anything dedicated to that, but the standards mailing list is sufficiently low-traffic that that would be a sensible place to discuss such topics
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  759. smooth_operator cool i'll look that up
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  872. raver > for testing, you can also use https://xmpp.net/preview/. should be slightly better than the plain one, but not as polished yet Nice, what's that new `_xmppconnect TXT records` for? Any advice how to setup for ejabberd available?
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  881. Menel raver: no, its for nothing and to be removed.
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  888. raver Menel: thx🙂✌️
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  890. Menel https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0156.html > A previous version of this XEP defined a DNS method to look up this info using a TXT _xmppconnect record, this was insecure and has been removed.
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  894. Menel We can re-add it in the world where dnssec is mandatory I suppose?
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  950. raver Menel, do you know why the altconnect endpoints results in error, allthough I'm successfully using bosh/websocket with converse.js?
  951. raver Menel, https://xmpp.net/preview/scan/result/72
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  957. Menel No, can only say its a preview. If you can connect from https://m.conversejs.org/ To *your* server, then it works in reality
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  959. Menel Your selfhosted conversejs likely doesn't count, since you entered the endpoint in the config yourself
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  969. Licaon_Kter Menel: iirc it should autodetect if you don't mention it
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  979. raver Menel, yep works
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  983. raver Menel, but with some erros: WebSocket connection to 'wss://xmpp.rimkus.it:46786/ws' failed: Data frame received after close
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  985. raver ah I see the error in the chat window of this muc
  986. raver Test from Converse.js official
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  1044. kuba_ sorry for the offtop but i was reffering to one person from my IRL as raver-menel :D
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  1047. kuba_ just yesterday
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