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  51. nuegia.net there's a really good nginx module for rate limiting traffic
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  54. nuegia.net it uses a bucket based system so it works well with bursts
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  296. nuegia.net to the operator of kalli.st, I'd like to talk with you about federating over TOR or I2P
  297. nuegia.net setting up our routing maps
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  344. Licaon_Kter nuegia.net: they use prosody?
  345. nuegia.net I think so yes
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  347. nuegia.net they made this, which allows federatoring both tor and i2p at the same time
  348. nuegia.net https://gt.kalli.st/kallist/mod_deepweb
  349. nuegia.net it's a fork of mod_darknet
  350. nuegia.net I really wish it could get upstreamed into prosody's modules
  351. Licaon_Kter Interesting
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  375. moparisthebest nuegia.net, literally just have to ask for access to push modules
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  948. [czar] nuegia.net: I have a hidden service: kallist4mcluuxbjnr5p2asdlmdhaos3pcrvhk3fbzmiiiftwg6zncid.onion I don't have any mapping set right now I use it (mod_deepweb) mainly to federate with tor/i2p only servers
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  953. moparisthebest manually hard-coding associations isn't very flexible or secure, this should be auto-discoverable
  954. moparisthebest manually hard-coding associations isn't very scalable or secure, this should be auto-discoverable
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  962. Zash Is it not security-awkward to associate the public service name with the hidden service?
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  965. Licaon_Kter Zash: how?
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  975. Zash Easier to find the physical machine if you happen to be the NSA and want to peek at the server debug logs for further metadata to feed into your social graphs?
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  996. Zash Anyway, it was a question. I don't remember the full argument I've seen on this topic.
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  1070. mjk true, if the intention is to actually _hide_ the service and/or operator's identity, associating the hidden service address with a clearnet one defeats the purpose. But there are other nice properties of an HS
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  1127. Licaon_Kter Zash: it's in the threat model
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  1142. nuegia.net mjk, it's also about bypassing censorship
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  1144. nuegia.net nationstate internet firewalling
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  1146. mjk and also your NAT :D
  1147. mjk and avoiding the global PKI
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  1150. mjk ...and exit nodes
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  1270. moparisthebest Zash: if it's a hidden domain, you connect directly no problem, if it's jabber.org no reason I'm aware of to hide the fact that it's also accessible over tor via an .onion domain right? Slap that in a SRV record
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  1273. nuegia.net nothing that I know how actually would use that SRV record
  1274. nuegia.net moparisthebest,
  1275. moparisthebest nuegia.net: right, we can fix that
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  1277. moparisthebest I'll be adding support soon
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  1289. moparisthebest I mean any XMPP server will do it now if you have your server set up right
  1290. moparisthebest ie to resolve .onion to IPs that connect transparently over tor
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  1318. nuegia.net is dnssec required for that?
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  1320. nuegia.net because if not it seems like a huge security hole
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  1323. nuegia.net anybody could spoof a dns response without dnssec and because certificate validation isn't used on onions/i2ps, somebody could just intercept all that
  1324. nuegia.net with a self signed or fake certificate
  1325. nuegia.net hmm
  1326. nuegia.net unless your still validating the clearnet certificate over the tunnel
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  1332. Zash if you are connecting to jabber.org, you make sure you see a certificate for jabber.org, regardless of how you connected
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  1334. Zash or, you need to establish a secure chain of trust from "jabber.org" to the connection you end up with. DNSSEC or POSH can allow for some indirection, but not much deployment for such things
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  1336. Zash https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/The_Knight 🙂
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  1345. moparisthebest Right if you are connecting to a .onion srv record you absolutely do cert verification
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  1350. mimi89999 What's POSH?
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  1359. moparisthebest mimi89999, https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7711.html
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