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sachin 02:57:20
Licaon_Kter: conversations is down
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root 03:07:53
sachin: been down for most of the day, seems it was a hardware issue, waiting for replacement parts I am guessing.
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sachin 03:19:26
Ohh okay.
sachin 03:19:55
I had to make my account with another provider. Never thought you need contingency plan
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Sapotaceae 03:28:09
it has probably been discussed but has the following ever been tried? instead of having people run their own servers with their own configs, have a pool of servers that all run the same software/configs, and when users signup they're randomized across the pool and if a server admin wants to leave the pool they just hand off data to another pool member? kind of like how ntp.org and opennic work?
Sapotaceae 03:28:25
just to minimize the amount of people on a select few servers
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moparisthebest 03:29:12
I think the real solution is just to convince everyone to run their own server
moparisthebest 03:29:29
But that is a pretty good idea, could be a stop-gap
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croax 06:18:44
Sapotaceae: ntp.org does not convey such sensitive data. Would it be acceptable for people to trust a pool of admins? I don't believe so. But on the opposite an admin could run multiple servers with failover if the software allows for it (shall be modular and designed for it)
Sapotaceae 06:20:42
do people already know trust the admins of the existing public instances?
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Sapotaceae 06:21:22
s/know/not/
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croax 07:18:31
~~Sapotaceae: they should :-) Depend on threat model. But you're right, there's room for a lot of use cases.~~ ✎
croax 07:18:36
Sapotaceae: they should :-) Depends on threat model. But you're right, there's room for a lot of use cases. ✏
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Sapotaceae 07:19:19
that just leads into: what is being done to reduce the need to trust the server?
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croax 07:32:28
Sapotaceae: that's a good question but maybe there's nothing more to do on the protocol side... Rather always use e2ee (for private exchanges) + Tor if you don't trust the admin.
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croax 07:39:49
Sapotaceae: Maybe one improvement to submit to implementations: a user should generate unique on-demand JIDs matched to his primary identity so that: - he would not risk to share his identity publicly - he could revoke it - the admins could not draw evolved contact graphs
croax 07:40:31
That could be an evolution of the "invite" links
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Sapotaceae 07:42:57
Silence had an implementation of that: where it would make an account on a random server and share the jid out of band over e2e sms, and then future messages would be e2e over xmpp
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Sapotaceae: ever had?
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Sapotaceae 07:43:44
never merged
Licaon_Kter 07:44:13
Ah, the PR
Sapotaceae 07:44:15
https://github.com/SilenceIM/Silence/pull/390
Sapotaceae 07:45:30
kind of great and managed the issue if xmpp was down
Sapotaceae 07:45:44
kind of goes full circle
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sachin 07:57:03
Conversations is back again
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