XMPP Service Operators - 2022-08-19

lurk.org seems to be down, both the xmpp server and the website

sup

> Who here operates this FXTIA bot which joined every room listed? Same question. Edit: PM it as MUC owner for info. It's cool ✏

Why don't you tell everyone why you joined every room (or at least a lot of rooms) listed, FXTIA? What's this bot for?

Hello Sheev Palpatine, I'm a bot. I'm here to watch for spam. I'm in every public MUC on the Jabber network. I can alert you about spammers before they arrive in your room. I can alert you when a known spammer joins your room. I can help moderate your room when its under attack. I also provide other services, like resolving URLs and extracting titles descriptions and even images. I also rewrite urls to use privacy frontends for urls pointing to youtube, wikipedia, odysee, reddit, twitter, etc. As this MUCs owner, you can use the 'Owner Config' command: *ocfg* ...

https://chat.her.st:5443/upload/805cad6b852b3640d60a17edd9d4a1cf8190e207/81pyFjszOnquGwjUFhsNttiiHhlsTfm1dbp5LDHt/1660912290.webp

so it is a bot? or is that something else?

its a bot

and consent? privacy policy? source code?

no, no, no

I'll blacklist it from my server

perhaps jabberspam needs a jabberunconsensualbox list added

FXTIA: could you limit your joins to only chats that you as a person follow?

Licaon_Kter, yes

Oops wrong account

That's the best account maybe...

https://social.tchncs.de/@trashserver > metalhead.club and trashserver.net will take a short break for maintenance. We'll be back in a few minutes.

how often do you all have your server set to automatically reboot?

Sapotaceae: automatically reboot, why?

what good are (kernel) updates if you don't load them?

I reboot whenever there is a kernel update or a debian point release. But I'm running a small private server. So if I had a public one with lots of users I'd probably try to minimize reboots.

croax, Sapotaceae: re: ntp pool remember when it was discovered that shodan was running a bunch of ntp servers to harvest ipv6 IPs to scan?

hadn't heard that

> its a bot Sheev Palpatine: Why would you make it join every room? It has no value to the muc. What value does have for you?

read my earlier responses please

https://chat.her.st:5443/upload/805cad6b852b3640d60a17edd9d4a1cf8190e207/rJiNFirhuhAUX7zq4GaDhYRtf0s1yJVt4Phffka6/1660938643.webp

this is the kind of shit i dont want to arrive in my mucs

moparisthebest: hehe... even meaningless protocol is sensible in the end. Run it in chrooted environment, bind an IPv6 temporary address :-) overkill

thats why its everywhere, so it detects the spam before it reaches me and whoever else gives the bot permissions to moderate

Sapotaceae, croax: https://weekly-geekly.imtqy.com/articles/276831/index.html

Sapotaceae: > what good are (kernel) updates if you don't load them? You right. That's my answer: on every kernel update I don't miss

Sapotaceae: > how often do you all have your server set to automatically reboot? How often do you update kernels?

I use fedora with updates-testing enabled for security flagged packages

kernel updates are within two days, and sometimes same day

as mainline

dnf is set to update automatically daily, with an automatic reboot if packages are installed

Sheev Palpatine, why would you trust a proprietary bot to see the JID of all your users?

i wouldnt

ok, understood. Another option would be setting muc to moderated.

Sheev Palpatine: your messages above sound like you defend this bot and/or owner, what's the deal, what's it to you?

i wrote it

its my bot

wait I thought you said it wasn't your bot?

?

you have 3 socks alone in this room then?

what?

I've tried as an owner to ocfgfukkkk no response, banned, f this $hit. You make me nostalgic after Morf, at least they are a human

morph inspired me to write this one

he raided us too

As said above, permission was neither asked nor given. Pls unjoin it at least from the rooms I happen to randomly moderate...

i have no command to unjoin, just ban it or pm me a list of mucs so i can turn off autojoin

I think you got it backwards, it should join the rooms it's invited in NOT ALL then get banned.

Here's a room list: `*`

also you didn't pm the bot, nor banned it, at least not in the last 5min xD

idk who you pmd and banned xD

this is starting to sound like malware

There's no PM in offtopic, how to interact then? See... you brought an untested bot and joined all the rooms? Wtf?

it works fine, i just tested it myself to make sure

you pm'd an imposter or the wrong user

if you're going to rudely join all rooms, you need to at the very least document it, provide a privacy policy, provide an explciit opt-out

it is bannable, you can opt out anytime

it has the same name everywhere

its not being sneaky

> also you didn't pm the bot, what is the bot? because you've already commented here about it from 3 accounts

it only joins *public* mucs that are listed on search.jabber.network

I was joking lol

Sheev Palpatine: > you pm'd an imposter or the wrong user Which part of "offtopic has no pm" was unclear?

How is that possible?

Sheev Palpatine: > it is bannable, you can opt out anytime When did you announce its entry on Offtopic exactly? To whom? Who did you announce here?

Aren't you a mod?

> offtopic has no pm

FXIA =\= I'm a bot pls ban me

[czar]: RTFM

I'm sure it has a ban

dude whenever someone mentions the bot i join the muc and talk to people

thats why im here

bot got tagged, i joined and started explaining

just ban it and be done with it

Licaon_Kter, this part of prosody is very poorly implemented

Why do you impose extra work on mods exactly? How is that NOT spam???

[czar]: ejabberd, ban is not the point, interactions "only via PMs" is

jesus christ

Don't get religious, c'mon

https://upload.magicbroccoli.de/cf0a30dd6843708ed8b63a0daf86ee4be7739546/rwa89fqRw684GNCMbQL2ze80N1ZIR3YuDEPSlAkv/obscura1660939359205.jpg

Is that you in the conv Sheev Palpatine ?

yes

Wrong answer lol

that deserves a bit more context though lol

How dare you mention someone ethnic group Sheev Palpatine

Unacceptable

https://chat.her.st:5443/upload/805cad6b852b3640d60a17edd9d4a1cf8190e207/cTGcBPgxiKOThmFjVR3JL9vf4eiUxxduE7jDCPww/1660940105.webp

Sheev Palpatine: you might come with good will, but just imagine everyone doing the same as you. There's a name, it's spam.

Join spam?

you guys honestly think im the only bot in your mucs or what

all the lurkers are surely real people!

i get the drama cause im honest lol

yes its a bot, yes its in every PUBLIC muc, yes it looks for spam

Critism/different opinion ≠ drama

the jabberspam repo has a shit solution for anti-spam, stopping federation with entire servers

i dont want to stop federating with servers cause theres spam bots

i rather ban the spam bots and offer that service to everyone

i thought it was a good thing to help fight spam

ass-backwards approach

all i get is shit from you

when i saw morph unleash havoc on mucs and realized there was nothing you can do, i decided to solve the problem

> yes its a bot, yes its in every PUBLIC muc, yes it looks for spam _That moment when you become that which you hated the most_

Did you collect enough feedback Sheev Palpatine? Was this the "disrupt" model from startups? Did you prefer to apologize later than ask permission? Is this mission accomplished? Does this make you fight spam harder? Are you gonna make your own federation with blackjack and hookers next?

Why are you saying joining public rooms is spam? I don't see the point Licaon_Kter

me neither

[czar]: it's the nature of the beast, you fight fire with fire, the whole forest burns

how is joining spam

We had a good run without spammy bots or Morfs. Thanks for nothing

The spam is fought because it drives real people away. Your solution was: _bring more bots_?

how the fk does it drive people away, its not saying anything

until proven otherwise I consider it spyware

its completely passive

> until proven otherwise I consider it spyware with that logic you have to consider every lurker spyware

> until proven otherwise I consider it spyware This was my first thought. Why does a person join? To see posts. Why does a bot join? To collect posts that later...its masters...can...

> and consent? privacy policy? source code? ?

Until Sheev Palpatine apologize or something for discriminative shitchat he frequently joins, I'll ban it anyway from every channel I can.

I've banned matrix bridges too, as this is a known thing that matrix.org collects all the chats. Hard to grasp? It's public but this doesn't give you or others extra rights.

And that is, because so far you have proofed to not be a person I can trust.

go ahead

> until proven otherwise I consider it spyware Better than saying it's spammy

This is not a contest...

Also Sheev Palpatine that avatar isn't really helping your cause

*sigh*

lmao

anyways, i've made my case, you make your judgement, im tired of this conversation, it leads nowhere

good night

I was hoping it leads you to unjoin the rooms where it was never invited. ✏

I have a captcha on all my rooms too and the FXTIA bot was in it

Very effective then

the bot cant solve captchas...

either you're blatantly lying now to stirl up more drama or you misconfigured your rooms

it is possible I manually approved it

i wasnt even aware that you can have captchas on rooms

> I was hoping it leads you to unjoin the rooms where it was never invited. i told you to give me the jids of the rooms so i can disable autojoin but you didnt want to do that

if you run an entire network, i can leave the entire network