lurk.org seems to be down, both the xmpp server and the website
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> Who here operates this FXTIA bot which joined every room listed?
Same question✎
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FXTIA
sup
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> Who here operates this FXTIA bot which joined every room listed?
Same question. Edit: PM it as MUC owner for info. It's cool ✏
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me9
Why don't you tell everyone why you joined every room (or at least a lot of rooms) listed, FXTIA? What's this bot for?
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Sheev Palpatine
Hello Sheev Palpatine, I'm a bot. I'm here to watch for spam.
I'm in every public MUC on the Jabber network.
I can alert you about spammers before they arrive in your room.
I can alert you when a known spammer joins your room.
I can help moderate your room when its under attack.
I also provide other services, like resolving URLs and extracting titles
descriptions and even images. I also rewrite urls to use privacy frontends
for urls pointing to youtube, wikipedia, odysee, reddit, twitter, etc.
As this MUCs owner, you can use the 'Owner Config' command:
*ocfg*
...
perhaps jabberspam needs a jabberunconsensualbox list added
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FXTIA: could you limit your joins to only chats that you as a person follow?
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[czar]
Licaon_Kter, yes
[czar]
Oops wrong account
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That's the best account maybe...
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Sapotaceae
https://social.tchncs.de/@trashserver
> metalhead.club and trashserver.net will take a short break for maintenance. We'll be back in a few minutes.
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how often do you all have your server set to automatically reboot?
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Sapotaceae: automatically reboot, why?
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what good are (kernel) updates if you don't load them?
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I reboot whenever there is a kernel update or a debian point release. But I'm running a small private server. So if I had a public one with lots of users I'd probably try to minimize reboots.
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croax, Sapotaceae: re: ntp pool remember when it was discovered that shodan was running a bunch of ntp servers to harvest ipv6 IPs to scan?
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hadn't heard that
pur
> its a bot
Sheev Palpatine:
Why would you make it join every room?
It has no value to the muc. What value does have for you?
Sheev Palpatine: you might come with good will, but just imagine everyone doing the same as you.
There's a name, it's spam.
[czar]
Join spam?
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Sheev Palpatine
you guys honestly think im the only bot in your mucs or what
Sheev Palpatine
all the lurkers are surely real people!
Sheev Palpatine
i get the drama cause im honest lol
Sheev Palpatine
yes its a bot, yes its in every PUBLIC muc, yes it looks for spam
lia
Critism/different opinion ≠ drama
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the jabberspam repo has a shit solution for anti-spam, stopping federation with entire servers
Sheev Palpatine
i dont want to stop federating with servers cause theres spam bots
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i rather ban the spam bots and offer that service to everyone
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i thought it was a good thing to help fight spam
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ass-backwards approach
Sheev Palpatine
all i get is shit from you
Sheev Palpatine
when i saw morph unleash havoc on mucs and realized there was nothing you can do, i decided to solve the problem
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> yes its a bot, yes its in every PUBLIC muc, yes it looks for spam
_That moment when you become that which you hated the most_
Licaon_Kter
Did you collect enough feedback Sheev Palpatine?
Was this the "disrupt" model from startups? Did you prefer to apologize later than ask permission? Is this mission accomplished? Does this make you fight spam harder? Are you gonna make your own federation with blackjack and hookers next?
[czar]
Why are you saying joining public rooms is spam?
I don't see the point Licaon_Kter
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me neither
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[czar]: it's the nature of the beast, you fight fire with fire, the whole forest burns
Sheev Palpatine
how is joining spam
Licaon_Kter
We had a good run without spammy bots or Morfs. Thanks for nothing
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The spam is fought because it drives real people away. Your solution was: _bring more bots_?
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how the fk does it drive people away, its not saying anything
Sapotaceae
until proven otherwise I consider it spyware
Sheev Palpatine
its completely passive
Sheev Palpatine
> until proven otherwise I consider it spyware
with that logic you have to consider every lurker spyware
Licaon_Kter
> until proven otherwise I consider it spyware
This was my first thought. Why does a person join? To see posts. Why does a bot join? To collect posts that later...its masters...can...
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> and consent? privacy policy? source code?
?
lia
Until Sheev Palpatine apologize or something for discriminative shitchat he frequently joins, I'll ban it anyway from every channel I can.
Licaon_Kter
I've banned matrix bridges too, as this is a known thing that matrix.org collects all the chats. Hard to grasp? It's public but this doesn't give you or others extra rights.
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lia
And that is, because so far you have proofed to not be a person I can trust.
Sheev Palpatine
go ahead
[czar]
> until proven otherwise I consider it spyware
Better than saying it's spammy
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This is not a contest...
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Also Sheev Palpatine that avatar isn't really helping your cause
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*sigh*
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lmao
Sheev Palpatine
anyways, i've made my case, you make your judgement, im tired of this conversation, it leads nowhere
I was hoping it leads you to unjoin the rooms where it was never invited. ✏
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I have a captcha on all my rooms too and the FXTIA bot was in it
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Very effective then
Sheev Palpatine
the bot cant solve captchas...
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either you're blatantly lying now to stirl up more drama or you misconfigured your rooms
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it is possible I manually approved it
Sheev Palpatine
i wasnt even aware that you can have captchas on rooms
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> I was hoping it leads you to unjoin the rooms where it was never invited.
i told you to give me the jids of the rooms so i can disable autojoin but you didnt want to do that
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if you run an entire network, i can leave the entire network
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FXTIA
wtf happened
FXTIA
sheev didnt make me lol
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There is https://modules.prosody.im/mod_muc_rtbl.html
To get the same without a not approach✎
FXTIA
Menel
There is https://modules.prosody.im/mod_muc_rtbl.html
To get the same without a bot approach ✏
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Sheev Palpatine
> sheev didnt make me lol
yes i did
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TheCoffeMaker
put i another words ... I will invoke Eric Cartman's saying with a little Galatica's sensoship... Sheev Palpatine if u wanna frack us at least I wanna be wined and dinned 😉️
owner in cyberdelia's channels is mostly offline ... and as an administrator I tried several times to contact FXTIA and didnt get a response ... u should fix that so all moderator users can talk✎
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TheCoffeMaker
put i another words ... I will invoke Eric Cartman's saying with a little Galactica's sensoship... Sheev Palpatine if u wanna frack us at least I wanna be wined and dinned 😉️
owner in cyberdelia's channels is mostly offline ... and as an administrator I tried several times to contact FXTIA and didnt get a response ... u should fix that so all moderator users can talk ✏
TheCoffeMaker
put i another words ... I will invoke Eric Cartman's saying with a little Galactica's sensoship... Sheev Palpatine if u wanna frack us at least I wanna be wined and dined 😉️
owner in cyberdelia's channels is mostly offline ... and as an administrator I tried several times to contact FXTIA and didnt get a response ... u should fix that so all moderator users can talk ✏
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TheCoffeMaker
put in another words ... I will invoke Eric Cartman's saying with a little Galactica's sensoship... Sheev Palpatine if u wanna frack us at least I wanna be wined and dined 😉️
owner in cyberdelia's channels is mostly offline ... and as an administrator I tried several times to contact FXTIA and didnt get a response ... u should fix that so all moderator users can talk ✏
Sheev Palpatine
i'll make it respond to admins by tomorrow UTC
TheCoffeMaker
put in another words ... I will invoke Eric Cartman's saying with a little Galactica's sensoship... Sheev Palpatine if u wanna frack us at least I wanna be wined and dined first 😉️
owner in cyberdelia's channels is mostly offline ... and as an administrator I tried several times to contact FXTIA and didnt get a response ... u should fix that so all moderator users can talk ✏
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TheCoffeMaker
do u have it published somewhere?
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TheCoffeMaker
I prefere the module approach ... but u know ... if u are gonna sit a bot that will process out talk at least I wanna know that our users privacy is not compromised✎
TheCoffeMaker
I prefere the module approach ... but u know ... if u are gonna sit a bot that will process our talks at least I wanna know that our users privacy is not compromised ✏
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Sheev Palpatine
no, i just started it recently, i dont have a website or repo yet
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TheCoffeMaker
Sheev Palpatine, FXTIA well ... bot banned ... let me know when u get it published and open
Sheev Palpatine
sure
TheCoffeMaker
if u wanna test it let me know too
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Sheev Palpatine
well, ill just let you know when its published and you can chose to unban it then
Sheev Palpatine
i dont test in production xD
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@bkil:matrix.org
Is it an inconvenient time to share that this MUC is bridged to a public Matrix room? 🙁 https://matrix.to/#/#xmpp-operators:aria-net.org
@bkil:matrix.org
With all history logged and all.
@bkil:matrix.org
But yeah, we are fighting similar daemons over here and some of the ideas could be shared. And I also strongly favor FOSS & published code where bots can be deployed & hosted with a "single click" and then could federate some of the interesting metadata among each other for a limited time (i.e., to detect join waves and mass messages/images between different MUC).
Sheev Palpatine
lol.
@bkil:matrix.org
I don't think that it's the way to go if a _single_ bot would need to join _every_ MUC in the world - it's neither sustainable, nor transparent enough.
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msavoritias
I hate how everything ends up data harvesting by matrix nowdays
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Sheev Palpatine
> I don't think that it's the way to go if a _single_ bot would need to join _every_ MUC in the world - it's neither sustainable, nor transparent enough.
yes i can tell, its pretty heavy to run
Sheev Palpatine
federating the bot is on my todolist too, i haven't quite figured out how to exchange data between instances yet
moparisthebest
XMPP is pretty good at that :D
Sheev Palpatine
there's multi-addressing stanzas which could work as a sort of broadcast between all the instances
Sheev Palpatine
but the problem would be how they even find eachother
Sheev Palpatine
maybe have the bot auto-accept friendrequests and then if you run your instance, you have to make it friend one that already runs and it will share all the other instances
@bkil:matrix.org
By the way, although the Matrix room is publicly joinable, but at least it's not world readable. I.e., it won't appear on static.matrix.org or be indexable by search engines.
Sheev Palpatine
a poor mans DHT
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I get the joke about federating over XMPP. And yes, indeed if the bots would need to exchange too much data, you would actually just duplicate the whole XMPP federation that wouldn't make much sense. Hence why they should only record (in memory) and exchange only filtered or key metadata about suspicious events, hashes and such.
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Sheev Palpatine
i've been working on this bot for about 20 days, learning the xmpp protocol and reading through all the xep documentations...
Sheev Palpatine
a single instance was just all i could manage for now
msavoritias
@bkil:matrix.org: Or not doing anything without the consent of the people occuping these rooms. Opt in not opt out
Sheev Palpatine
spammers wont opt in
@bkil:matrix.org
Maybe.
msavoritias
Same stuff happened in matrix with the traveler bot or whatever.
msavoritias
But people like surveillance there i guess
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msavoritias
> Sheev Palpatine:
> spammers wont opt in
Thats not a reason for you to surveillance anything. Either its opt in or you are a spammer
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Sheev Palpatine
well, in my country you need the consent of one person to *record* conversations
Sheev Palpatine
legally speaking
@bkil:matrix.org
I think most people actually got used to the traveler bot, as it had published its source, had a website with info and it shared the stats that it collected. It was banned by only a few. But after the recent wars, similar traveler bots appeared with fake human names that only joined & left. They seem to be coming from China and Russia and it is much more creepy.
moparisthebest
on the other hand in a public room you really don't have any expectation of privacy
Sheev Palpatine
and we're not even talking about recording here, its counting words and lines
Sheev Palpatine
> on the other hand in a public room you really don't have any expectation of privacy
thank you, finally someone else saying it
Sapotaceae
That doesn't justify it
@bkil:matrix.org
Expectation of privacy vs. GDPR is a complicated manner. You can't do OSINT to dox somebody regardless if you got it from archive.org.
moparisthebest
it's still in rather poor taste, and if people ask you to leave it's the nice thing to do
Sheev Palpatine
a network owner asked me to and i did
Sheev Palpatine
network rules dont forbid what im doing
Sheev Palpatine
its just muc owners who get triggered left and right
Sheev Palpatine
the bot literally has a jid that says BOT@SERVICE
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right, and if you wanted to be a jerk about it you'd just join each muc with a different name and likely no one would even notice
Sheev Palpatine
and they still give it voice and make it member
Sheev Palpatine
> right, and if you wanted to be a jerk about it you'd just join each muc with a different name and likely no one would even notice
exactly
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Sheev Palpatine
like Sapotaceae
@bkil:matrix.org
Anyway, using the bot as a data collector and making it mod everywhere to execute its actions is conceptually equivalent to implementing an extension for each XMPP server that processes its own MUCs using similar heuristics, federates with other servers through XMPP (hopefully through a new XEP!) and then initiate the admin actions from the server side. But there are too many servers in a bunch of different languages to implement this for each of them. https://github.com/bkil/freedom-fighters/tree/master/hu/service/xmpp-server.md And in certain cases, the server operators aren't interested in enabling such patches. Hence why separation of server operations & moderation decisions might make sense. We are having the same dilemma about Mjolnir & co.
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Sapotaceae
Why the conflicting information then? Fxtia messaged saying you didn't make it, and czar claimed/joked that they made it
Sheev Palpatine
the bot doesnt do anything until it is explicitly enabled by the muc owner
Sheev Palpatine
all it does it count lines and words and nick changes for repetitions
Sheev Palpatine
idk about czar
Sheev Palpatine
but the bot has a say command
Sapotaceae
Also how tf were muc admins supposed to activate any of those disabled features if it never announced itself?
@bkil:matrix.org
I'm just an outsider in the discussion, but all in all, I agree that the code must be published first, its heuristics must be discussed first and how it is operated on on which server. And only then should it be widely deployed.✎
Sapotaceae
It never said "hey I'm a bot pm me ocfg or whatever to activate me"
Sheev Palpatine
i have not made up my mind how to announceit
@bkil:matrix.org
I'm just an outsider in the discussion, but all in all, I agree that the code must be published first, its heuristics must be discussed first and how it is operated and on which server. And only then should it be widely deployed. ✏
Sheev Palpatine
its barely over 2 weeks since i started writing it
Sapotaceae
So you just join rooms because???
Sheev Palpatine
i dont want to spam everyone
Sapotaceae
And then claim you don't test in prod
Sheev Palpatine
i test in my own mucs
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We usually test our own bots in our own MUC created just for testing. Then perhaps one or two (small, but real) MUC might opt-in to test. But still not in production.
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msavoritias
> @bkil:matrix.org:
> I think most people actually got used to the traveler bot, as it had published its source, had a website with info and it shared the stats that it collected. It was banned by only a few. But after the recent wars, similar traveler bots appeared with fake human names that only joined & left. They seem to be coming from China and Russia and it is much more creepy.
Of course people get used to surveliiance. Thats not news. Its still a shitty thing to do.
Sheev Palpatine
the bot is 100% passive outside the mucs where it was explicitly enabled
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its just another lurker
Sheev Palpatine
but unlike lurkers, who have their client archive everything most likely
Sheev Palpatine
the bot counts shit
Sapotaceae
So then why join the rooms if you hadn't decided how to announce it?
Sheev Palpatine
load testing
Sheev Palpatine
see how it scales
Sapotaceae
Had any muc admin "activated it"
Sheev Palpatine
joining 100s of mucs has its own challenges man
Sheev Palpatine
processing all the data
Sheev Palpatine
i cant simulate that locally
Sheev Palpatine
until now there was only one trigger for it to message owners of mucs
Sheev Palpatine
when it detected spam in the room it would PM the owner
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"hey it looks like you're under attack, i can help"
[wall of text with config options]
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https://www.ejabberd.im/benchmark/index.html
Sheev Palpatine
but i had to disable that because it kept spamming the muc owners XD
In a much smaller, closed community tied to a single CoC and registration, they still have a policy about bots, specifically identifying them as such, name the bot master, providing sources, providing help, option to kick (opt out), replying to a rollcall, and enumerating them on this wiki page https://tilde.chat/wiki/bots https://rfc.tildeverse.org/rfcs/2
FXTIA
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interesting read
Sheev Palpatine
i actually wanted to include the !botlist stuff in the vcard but im having trouble getting the vcards to work
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theres multiple xeps for vcards and none of them worked so far :D
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@bkil:matrix.org
If you think this talk is a bit off topic here, we welcome you in our existing Matrix room bridged over XMPP where we discuss just this - moderation automation ideas! mod-ideas@conference.movim.eu