XMPP Service Operators - 2022-08-19


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  196. dcuba.ar admin > Who here operates this FXTIA bot which joined every room listed? Same question
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  215. dcuba.ar admin > Who here operates this FXTIA bot which joined every room listed? Same question. Edit: PM it as MUC owner for info. It's cool
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  623. me9 Why don't you tell everyone why you joined every room (or at least a lot of rooms) listed, FXTIA? What's this bot for?
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  628. Sheev Palpatine Hello Sheev Palpatine, I'm a bot. I'm here to watch for spam. I'm in every public MUC on the Jabber network. I can alert you about spammers before they arrive in your room. I can alert you when a known spammer joins your room. I can help moderate your room when its under attack. I also provide other services, like resolving URLs and extracting titles descriptions and even images. I also rewrite urls to use privacy frontends for urls pointing to youtube, wikipedia, odysee, reddit, twitter, etc. As this MUCs owner, you can use the 'Owner Config' command: *ocfg* ...
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  631. Sheev Palpatine https://chat.her.st:5443/upload/805cad6b852b3640d60a17edd9d4a1cf8190e207/81pyFjszOnquGwjUFhsNttiiHhlsTfm1dbp5LDHt/1660912290.webp
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  633. Sapotaceae so it is a bot? or is that something else?
  634. Sheev Palpatine its a bot
  635. Sapotaceae and consent? privacy policy? source code?
  636. Martin no, no, no
  637. Sapotaceae I'll blacklist it from my server
  638. Sapotaceae perhaps jabberspam needs a jabberunconsensualbox list added
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  767. Licaon_Kter FXTIA: could you limit your joins to only chats that you as a person follow?
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  769. [czar] Licaon_Kter, yes
  770. [czar] Oops wrong account
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  772. Licaon_Kter That's the best account maybe...
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  1097. Sapotaceae https://social.tchncs.de/@trashserver > metalhead.club and trashserver.net will take a short break for maintenance. We'll be back in a few minutes.
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  1100. Sapotaceae how often do you all have your server set to automatically reboot?
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  1110. croax Sapotaceae: automatically reboot, why?
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  1112. Sapotaceae what good are (kernel) updates if you don't load them?
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  1114. Martin I reboot whenever there is a kernel update or a debian point release. But I'm running a small private server. So if I had a public one with lots of users I'd probably try to minimize reboots.
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  1118. moparisthebest croax, Sapotaceae: re: ntp pool remember when it was discovered that shodan was running a bunch of ntp servers to harvest ipv6 IPs to scan?
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  1124. Sapotaceae hadn't heard that
  1125. pur > its a bot Sheev Palpatine: Why would you make it join every room? It has no value to the muc. What value does have for you?
  1126. Sheev Palpatine read my earlier responses please
  1127. Sheev Palpatine https://chat.her.st:5443/upload/805cad6b852b3640d60a17edd9d4a1cf8190e207/rJiNFirhuhAUX7zq4GaDhYRtf0s1yJVt4Phffka6/1660938643.webp
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  1129. Sheev Palpatine this is the kind of shit i dont want to arrive in my mucs
  1130. croax moparisthebest: hehe... even meaningless protocol is sensible in the end. Run it in chrooted environment, bind an IPv6 temporary address :-) overkill
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  1132. Sheev Palpatine thats why its everywhere, so it detects the spam before it reaches me and whoever else gives the bot permissions to moderate
  1133. moparisthebest Sapotaceae, croax: https://weekly-geekly.imtqy.com/articles/276831/index.html
  1134. croax Sapotaceae: > what good are (kernel) updates if you don't load them? You right. That's my answer: on every kernel update I don't miss
  1135. Licaon_Kter Sapotaceae: > how often do you all have your server set to automatically reboot? How often do you update kernels?
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  1138. Sapotaceae I use fedora with updates-testing enabled for security flagged packages
  1139. Sapotaceae kernel updates are within two days, and sometimes same day
  1140. Sapotaceae as mainline
  1141. Sapotaceae dnf is set to update automatically daily, with an automatic reboot if packages are installed
  1142. Sapotaceae Sheev Palpatine, why would you trust a proprietary bot to see the JID of all your users?
  1143. Sheev Palpatine i wouldnt
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  1147. pur ok, understood. Another option would be setting muc to moderated.
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  1149. Licaon_Kter Sheev Palpatine: your messages above sound like you defend this bot and/or owner, what's the deal, what's it to you?
  1150. Sheev Palpatine i wrote it
  1151. Sheev Palpatine its my bot
  1152. Sapotaceae wait I thought you said it wasn't your bot?
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  1154. Sheev Palpatine ?
  1155. Sapotaceae you have 3 socks alone in this room then?
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  1157. Sheev Palpatine what?
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  1162. Licaon_Kter I've tried as an owner to ocfgfukkkk no response, banned, f this $hit. You make me nostalgic after Morf, at least they are a human
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  1164. Sheev Palpatine morph inspired me to write this one
  1165. Sheev Palpatine he raided us too
  1166. Licaon_Kter As said above, permission was neither asked nor given. Pls unjoin it at least from the rooms I happen to randomly moderate...
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  1169. Sheev Palpatine i have no command to unjoin, just ban it or pm me a list of mucs so i can turn off autojoin
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  1171. Licaon_Kter I think you got it backwards, it should join the rooms it's invited in NOT ALL then get banned.
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  1174. Licaon_Kter Here's a room list: `*`
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  1177. Sheev Palpatine also you didn't pm the bot, nor banned it, at least not in the last 5min xD
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  1179. Sheev Palpatine idk who you pmd and banned xD
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  1183. Sapotaceae this is starting to sound like malware
  1184. Licaon_Kter There's no PM in offtopic, how to interact then? See... you brought an untested bot and joined all the rooms? Wtf?
  1185. Sheev Palpatine it works fine, i just tested it myself to make sure
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  1187. Sheev Palpatine you pm'd an imposter or the wrong user
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  1190. Sapotaceae if you're going to rudely join all rooms, you need to at the very least document it, provide a privacy policy, provide an explciit opt-out
  1191. Sheev Palpatine it is bannable, you can opt out anytime
  1192. Sheev Palpatine it has the same name everywhere
  1193. Sheev Palpatine its not being sneaky
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  1195. Sapotaceae > also you didn't pm the bot, what is the bot? because you've already commented here about it from 3 accounts
  1196. Sheev Palpatine it only joins *public* mucs that are listed on search.jabber.network
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  1198. [czar] I was joking lol
  1199. Licaon_Kter Sheev Palpatine: > you pm'd an imposter or the wrong user Which part of "offtopic has no pm" was unclear?
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  1202. [czar] How is that possible?
  1203. Licaon_Kter Sheev Palpatine: > it is bannable, you can opt out anytime When did you announce its entry on Offtopic exactly? To whom? Who did you announce here?
  1204. [czar] Aren't you a mod?
  1205. [czar] > offtopic has no pm
  1206. Licaon_Kter FXIA =\= I'm a bot pls ban me
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  1208. Licaon_Kter [czar]: RTFM
  1209. [czar] I'm sure it has a ban
  1210. Sheev Palpatine dude whenever someone mentions the bot i join the muc and talk to people
  1211. Sheev Palpatine thats why im here
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  1213. Sheev Palpatine bot got tagged, i joined and started explaining
  1214. Sheev Palpatine just ban it and be done with it
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  1216. [czar] Licaon_Kter, this part of prosody is very poorly implemented
  1217. Licaon_Kter Why do you impose extra work on mods exactly? How is that NOT spam???
  1218. Licaon_Kter [czar]: ejabberd, ban is not the point, interactions "only via PMs" is
  1219. Sheev Palpatine jesus christ
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  1221. Licaon_Kter Don't get religious, c'mon
  1222. lia https://upload.magicbroccoli.de/cf0a30dd6843708ed8b63a0daf86ee4be7739546/rwa89fqRw684GNCMbQL2ze80N1ZIR3YuDEPSlAkv/obscura1660939359205.jpg
  1223. lia Is that you in the conv Sheev Palpatine ?
  1224. Sheev Palpatine yes
  1225. Licaon_Kter Wrong answer lol
  1226. Sheev Palpatine that deserves a bit more context though lol
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  1228. [czar] How dare you mention someone ethnic group Sheev Palpatine
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  1230. [czar] Unacceptable
  1231. Sheev Palpatine https://chat.her.st:5443/upload/805cad6b852b3640d60a17edd9d4a1cf8190e207/cTGcBPgxiKOThmFjVR3JL9vf4eiUxxduE7jDCPww/1660940105.webp
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  1234. croax Sheev Palpatine: you might come with good will, but just imagine everyone doing the same as you. There's a name, it's spam.
  1235. [czar] Join spam?
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  1238. Sheev Palpatine you guys honestly think im the only bot in your mucs or what
  1239. Sheev Palpatine all the lurkers are surely real people!
  1240. Sheev Palpatine i get the drama cause im honest lol
  1241. Sheev Palpatine yes its a bot, yes its in every PUBLIC muc, yes it looks for spam
  1242. lia Critism/different opinion ≠ drama
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  1244. Sheev Palpatine the jabberspam repo has a shit solution for anti-spam, stopping federation with entire servers
  1245. Sheev Palpatine i dont want to stop federating with servers cause theres spam bots
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  1247. Sheev Palpatine i rather ban the spam bots and offer that service to everyone
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  1250. Sheev Palpatine i thought it was a good thing to help fight spam
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  1252. Sapotaceae ass-backwards approach
  1253. Sheev Palpatine all i get is shit from you
  1254. Sheev Palpatine when i saw morph unleash havoc on mucs and realized there was nothing you can do, i decided to solve the problem
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  1257. Licaon_Kter > yes its a bot, yes its in every PUBLIC muc, yes it looks for spam _That moment when you become that which you hated the most_
  1258. Licaon_Kter Did you collect enough feedback Sheev Palpatine? Was this the "disrupt" model from startups? Did you prefer to apologize later than ask permission? Is this mission accomplished? Does this make you fight spam harder? Are you gonna make your own federation with blackjack and hookers next?
  1259. [czar] Why are you saying joining public rooms is spam? I don't see the point Licaon_Kter
  1260. Sheev Palpatine me neither
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  1263. Licaon_Kter [czar]: it's the nature of the beast, you fight fire with fire, the whole forest burns
  1264. Sheev Palpatine how is joining spam
  1265. Licaon_Kter We had a good run without spammy bots or Morfs. Thanks for nothing
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  1269. Licaon_Kter The spam is fought because it drives real people away. Your solution was: _bring more bots_?
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  1271. Sheev Palpatine how the fk does it drive people away, its not saying anything
  1272. Sapotaceae until proven otherwise I consider it spyware
  1273. Sheev Palpatine its completely passive
  1274. Sheev Palpatine > until proven otherwise I consider it spyware with that logic you have to consider every lurker spyware
  1275. Licaon_Kter > until proven otherwise I consider it spyware This was my first thought. Why does a person join? To see posts. Why does a bot join? To collect posts that later...its masters...can...
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  1277. Licaon_Kter > and consent? privacy policy? source code? ?
  1278. lia Until Sheev Palpatine apologize or something for discriminative shitchat he frequently joins, I'll ban it anyway from every channel I can.
  1279. Licaon_Kter I've banned matrix bridges too, as this is a known thing that matrix.org collects all the chats. Hard to grasp? It's public but this doesn't give you or others extra rights.
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  1281. lia And that is, because so far you have proofed to not be a person I can trust.
  1282. Sheev Palpatine go ahead
  1283. [czar] > until proven otherwise I consider it spyware Better than saying it's spammy
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  1285. Licaon_Kter This is not a contest...
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  1291. Licaon_Kter Also Sheev Palpatine that avatar isn't really helping your cause
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  1293. Sheev Palpatine *sigh*
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  1295. [czar] lmao
  1296. Sheev Palpatine anyways, i've made my case, you make your judgement, im tired of this conversation, it leads nowhere
  1297. Sheev Palpatine good night
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  1299. Licaon_Kter I was hoping it leads you to unjoin the rooms
  1300. Licaon_Kter I was hoping it leads you to unjoin the rooms where it was never invited.
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  1308. Sapotaceae I have a captcha on all my rooms too and the FXTIA bot was in it
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  1312. [czar] Very effective then
  1313. Sheev Palpatine the bot cant solve captchas...
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  1315. Sheev Palpatine either you're blatantly lying now to stirl up more drama or you misconfigured your rooms
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  1318. Sapotaceae it is possible I manually approved it
  1319. Sheev Palpatine i wasnt even aware that you can have captchas on rooms
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  1324. Sheev Palpatine > I was hoping it leads you to unjoin the rooms where it was never invited. i told you to give me the jids of the rooms so i can disable autojoin but you didnt want to do that
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  1327. Sheev Palpatine if you run an entire network, i can leave the entire network
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  1335. FXTIA wtf happened
  1336. FXTIA sheev didnt make me lol
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  1338. Menel There is https://modules.prosody.im/mod_muc_rtbl.html To get the same without a not approach
  1339. FXTIA
  1340. Menel There is https://modules.prosody.im/mod_muc_rtbl.html To get the same without a bot approach
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  1350. Sheev Palpatine > sheev didnt make me lol yes i did
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  1359. TheCoffeMaker put i another words ... I will invoke Eric Cartman's saying with a little Galatica's sensoship... Sheev Palpatine if u wanna frack us at least I wanna be wined and dinned 😉️ owner in cyberdelia's channels is mostly offline ... and as an administrator I tried several times to contact FXTIA and didnt get a response ... u should fix that so all moderator users can talk
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  1361. TheCoffeMaker put i another words ... I will invoke Eric Cartman's saying with a little Galactica's sensoship... Sheev Palpatine if u wanna frack us at least I wanna be wined and dinned 😉️ owner in cyberdelia's channels is mostly offline ... and as an administrator I tried several times to contact FXTIA and didnt get a response ... u should fix that so all moderator users can talk
  1362. TheCoffeMaker put i another words ... I will invoke Eric Cartman's saying with a little Galactica's sensoship... Sheev Palpatine if u wanna frack us at least I wanna be wined and dined 😉️ owner in cyberdelia's channels is mostly offline ... and as an administrator I tried several times to contact FXTIA and didnt get a response ... u should fix that so all moderator users can talk
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  1364. TheCoffeMaker put in another words ... I will invoke Eric Cartman's saying with a little Galactica's sensoship... Sheev Palpatine if u wanna frack us at least I wanna be wined and dined 😉️ owner in cyberdelia's channels is mostly offline ... and as an administrator I tried several times to contact FXTIA and didnt get a response ... u should fix that so all moderator users can talk
  1365. Sheev Palpatine i'll make it respond to admins by tomorrow UTC
  1366. TheCoffeMaker put in another words ... I will invoke Eric Cartman's saying with a little Galactica's sensoship... Sheev Palpatine if u wanna frack us at least I wanna be wined and dined first 😉️ owner in cyberdelia's channels is mostly offline ... and as an administrator I tried several times to contact FXTIA and didnt get a response ... u should fix that so all moderator users can talk
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  1368. TheCoffeMaker do u have it published somewhere?
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  1372. TheCoffeMaker I prefere the module approach ... but u know ... if u are gonna sit a bot that will process out talk at least I wanna know that our users privacy is not compromised
  1373. TheCoffeMaker I prefere the module approach ... but u know ... if u are gonna sit a bot that will process our talks at least I wanna know that our users privacy is not compromised
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  1375. Sheev Palpatine no, i just started it recently, i dont have a website or repo yet
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  1378. TheCoffeMaker Sheev Palpatine, FXTIA well ... bot banned ... let me know when u get it published and open
  1379. Sheev Palpatine sure
  1380. TheCoffeMaker if u wanna test it let me know too
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  1383. Sheev Palpatine well, ill just let you know when its published and you can chose to unban it then
  1384. Sheev Palpatine i dont test in production xD
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  1400. @bkil:matrix.org Is it an inconvenient time to share that this MUC is bridged to a public Matrix room? 🙁 https://matrix.to/#/#xmpp-operators:aria-net.org
  1401. @bkil:matrix.org With all history logged and all.
  1402. @bkil:matrix.org But yeah, we are fighting similar daemons over here and some of the ideas could be shared. And I also strongly favor FOSS & published code where bots can be deployed & hosted with a "single click" and then could federate some of the interesting metadata among each other for a limited time (i.e., to detect join waves and mass messages/images between different MUC).
  1403. Sheev Palpatine lol.
  1404. @bkil:matrix.org I don't think that it's the way to go if a _single_ bot would need to join _every_ MUC in the world - it's neither sustainable, nor transparent enough.
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  1406. msavoritias I hate how everything ends up data harvesting by matrix nowdays
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  1408. Sheev Palpatine > I don't think that it's the way to go if a _single_ bot would need to join _every_ MUC in the world - it's neither sustainable, nor transparent enough. yes i can tell, its pretty heavy to run
  1409. Sheev Palpatine federating the bot is on my todolist too, i haven't quite figured out how to exchange data between instances yet
  1410. moparisthebest XMPP is pretty good at that :D
  1411. Sheev Palpatine there's multi-addressing stanzas which could work as a sort of broadcast between all the instances
  1412. Sheev Palpatine but the problem would be how they even find eachother
  1413. Sheev Palpatine maybe have the bot auto-accept friendrequests and then if you run your instance, you have to make it friend one that already runs and it will share all the other instances
  1414. @bkil:matrix.org By the way, although the Matrix room is publicly joinable, but at least it's not world readable. I.e., it won't appear on static.matrix.org or be indexable by search engines.
  1415. Sheev Palpatine a poor mans DHT
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  1418. @bkil:matrix.org I get the joke about federating over XMPP. And yes, indeed if the bots would need to exchange too much data, you would actually just duplicate the whole XMPP federation that wouldn't make much sense. Hence why they should only record (in memory) and exchange only filtered or key metadata about suspicious events, hashes and such.
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  1420. Sheev Palpatine i've been working on this bot for about 20 days, learning the xmpp protocol and reading through all the xep documentations...
  1421. Sheev Palpatine a single instance was just all i could manage for now
  1422. msavoritias @bkil:matrix.org: Or not doing anything without the consent of the people occuping these rooms. Opt in not opt out
  1423. Sheev Palpatine spammers wont opt in
  1424. @bkil:matrix.org Maybe.
  1425. msavoritias Same stuff happened in matrix with the traveler bot or whatever.
  1426. msavoritias But people like surveillance there i guess
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  1428. msavoritias > Sheev Palpatine: > spammers wont opt in Thats not a reason for you to surveillance anything. Either its opt in or you are a spammer
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  1431. Sheev Palpatine well, in my country you need the consent of one person to *record* conversations
  1432. Sheev Palpatine legally speaking
  1433. @bkil:matrix.org I think most people actually got used to the traveler bot, as it had published its source, had a website with info and it shared the stats that it collected. It was banned by only a few. But after the recent wars, similar traveler bots appeared with fake human names that only joined & left. They seem to be coming from China and Russia and it is much more creepy.
  1434. moparisthebest on the other hand in a public room you really don't have any expectation of privacy
  1435. Sheev Palpatine and we're not even talking about recording here, its counting words and lines
  1436. Sheev Palpatine > on the other hand in a public room you really don't have any expectation of privacy thank you, finally someone else saying it
  1437. Sapotaceae That doesn't justify it
  1438. @bkil:matrix.org Expectation of privacy vs. GDPR is a complicated manner. You can't do OSINT to dox somebody regardless if you got it from archive.org.
  1439. moparisthebest it's still in rather poor taste, and if people ask you to leave it's the nice thing to do
  1440. Sheev Palpatine a network owner asked me to and i did
  1441. Sheev Palpatine network rules dont forbid what im doing
  1442. Sheev Palpatine its just muc owners who get triggered left and right
  1443. Sheev Palpatine the bot literally has a jid that says BOT@SERVICE
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  1445. moparisthebest right, and if you wanted to be a jerk about it you'd just join each muc with a different name and likely no one would even notice
  1446. Sheev Palpatine and they still give it voice and make it member
  1447. Sheev Palpatine > right, and if you wanted to be a jerk about it you'd just join each muc with a different name and likely no one would even notice exactly
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  1449. Sheev Palpatine like Sapotaceae
  1450. @bkil:matrix.org Anyway, using the bot as a data collector and making it mod everywhere to execute its actions is conceptually equivalent to implementing an extension for each XMPP server that processes its own MUCs using similar heuristics, federates with other servers through XMPP (hopefully through a new XEP!) and then initiate the admin actions from the server side. But there are too many servers in a bunch of different languages to implement this for each of them. https://github.com/bkil/freedom-fighters/tree/master/hu/service/xmpp-server.md And in certain cases, the server operators aren't interested in enabling such patches. Hence why separation of server operations & moderation decisions might make sense. We are having the same dilemma about Mjolnir & co.
  1451. FXTIA
  1452. Sapotaceae Why the conflicting information then? Fxtia messaged saying you didn't make it, and czar claimed/joked that they made it
  1453. Sheev Palpatine the bot doesnt do anything until it is explicitly enabled by the muc owner
  1454. Sheev Palpatine all it does it count lines and words and nick changes for repetitions
  1455. Sheev Palpatine idk about czar
  1456. Sheev Palpatine but the bot has a say command
  1457. Sapotaceae Also how tf were muc admins supposed to activate any of those disabled features if it never announced itself?
  1458. @bkil:matrix.org I'm just an outsider in the discussion, but all in all, I agree that the code must be published first, its heuristics must be discussed first and how it is operated on on which server. And only then should it be widely deployed.
  1459. Sapotaceae It never said "hey I'm a bot pm me ocfg or whatever to activate me"
  1460. Sheev Palpatine i have not made up my mind how to announceit
  1461. @bkil:matrix.org I'm just an outsider in the discussion, but all in all, I agree that the code must be published first, its heuristics must be discussed first and how it is operated and on which server. And only then should it be widely deployed.
  1462. Sheev Palpatine its barely over 2 weeks since i started writing it
  1463. Sapotaceae So you just join rooms because???
  1464. Sheev Palpatine i dont want to spam everyone
  1465. Sapotaceae And then claim you don't test in prod
  1466. Sheev Palpatine i test in my own mucs
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  1468. @bkil:matrix.org We usually test our own bots in our own MUC created just for testing. Then perhaps one or two (small, but real) MUC might opt-in to test. But still not in production.
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  1471. msavoritias > @bkil:matrix.org: > I think most people actually got used to the traveler bot, as it had published its source, had a website with info and it shared the stats that it collected. It was banned by only a few. But after the recent wars, similar traveler bots appeared with fake human names that only joined & left. They seem to be coming from China and Russia and it is much more creepy. Of course people get used to surveliiance. Thats not news. Its still a shitty thing to do.
  1472. Sheev Palpatine the bot is 100% passive outside the mucs where it was explicitly enabled
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  1475. Sheev Palpatine its just another lurker
  1476. Sheev Palpatine but unlike lurkers, who have their client archive everything most likely
  1477. Sheev Palpatine the bot counts shit
  1478. Sapotaceae So then why join the rooms if you hadn't decided how to announce it?
  1479. Sheev Palpatine load testing
  1480. Sheev Palpatine see how it scales
  1481. Sapotaceae Had any muc admin "activated it"
  1482. Sheev Palpatine joining 100s of mucs has its own challenges man
  1483. Sheev Palpatine processing all the data
  1484. Sheev Palpatine i cant simulate that locally
  1485. Sheev Palpatine until now there was only one trigger for it to message owners of mucs
  1486. Sheev Palpatine when it detected spam in the room it would PM the owner
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  1488. Sheev Palpatine "hey it looks like you're under attack, i can help" [wall of text with config options]
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  1492. @bkil:matrix.org https://www.ejabberd.im/benchmark/index.html
  1493. Sheev Palpatine but i had to disable that because it kept spamming the muc owners XD
  1494. Sheev Palpatine > https://www.ejabberd.im/benchmark/index.html oh shit thats useful, thanks
  1495. FXTIA
  1496. Sheev Palpatine https://chat.her.st:5443/upload/805cad6b852b3640d60a17edd9d4a1cf8190e207/BaPAxrNgHnQNCYu5D004rqERKdINzKM7Y1eWqGQX/1660912290.webp
  1497. Sheev Palpatine thats the wall of text
  1498. @bkil:matrix.org In a much smaller, closed community tied to a single CoC and registration, they still have a policy about bots, specifically identifying them as such, name the bot master, providing sources, providing help, option to kick (opt out), replying to a rollcall, and enumerating them on this wiki page https://tilde.chat/wiki/bots https://rfc.tildeverse.org/rfcs/2
  1499. FXTIA
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  1501. Sheev Palpatine interesting read
  1502. Sheev Palpatine i actually wanted to include the !botlist stuff in the vcard but im having trouble getting the vcards to work
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  1504. Sheev Palpatine theres multiple xeps for vcards and none of them worked so far :D
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  1514. @bkil:matrix.org If you think this talk is a bit off topic here, we welcome you in our existing Matrix room bridged over XMPP where we discuss just this - moderation automation ideas! mod-ideas@conference.movim.eu
  1515. Sheev Palpatine sweet
  1516. @bkil:matrix.org 52 people over the matrix side already.
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