XMPP Service Operators - 2022-08-31


  1. Ellenor Bjornsd.

    > moparisthebest wrote: > Think of what you could do with a wildcard a record pointed at your IP you demon

  2. bkil

    SaaS = spam as a service?

  3. vacuumflower

    Hi, does anyone know of a working Telegram XMPP transport? Those I've tried don't accept the login code. Sorry if it's off topic.

  4. Sapotaceae

    you tried matterbridge?

  5. mjk

    moparisthebest, JabberSPAM would just move to listing whole domains instead of single names :p

  6. mjk

    or, you know, move to whitelisting invite-only servers a be done, forever

  7. Ellenor Bjornsd.

    jikes

  8. msavoritias

    Well an allow by default model never works imo. Thats how you end up with spam and harassement.

  9. msavoritias

    Its better the block by default and then allow selectively

  10. Sapotaceae

    doesn't jabberspam already list whole domains?

  11. Menel

    It does. Not including subdomains

  12. Menel

    I confess I don't get the threat model of "s2s spam" and how that would even work. But this might be the wrong channel for that. I would've thought some random s2s (so a unknown sever) would be blocked like we do now.

  13. Holger

    We don't blindly block _unknown_ servers do we? But yes if we managed to end up with a clear separation of ham and spam domains that would make it more feasible to block entire domains of course, once identified.

  14. mjk

    > Not including subdomains so, single domain names, not domains in the sense "everything under foo.tld"

  15. Holger

    > Its better the block by default and then allow selectively If the one and only goal is spam prevention, yes.

  16. msavoritias

    More like consent. But yeah probably in my server its gonna be like that

  17. Martin

    And how do you evaluate which incoming s2s is due to legit contacts trying to reach you and which due to spam?

  18. msavoritias

    If its 1:1 you know the contact. Either through IRL or a group. If its groups you check the site of the host, their social networks. Or contact them.

  19. msavoritias

    Everyone else can contact you through another medium for you to let them in.

  20. Martin

    That's where I'd stop trying to reach you. Sounds almost as annoying as the infamous captcha spam from block_strangers. 😂

  21. jonas’

    09:24:52 msavoritias> If its 1:1 you know the contact. Either through IRL or a group. that's not true, e.g. support@search.jabber.network.

  22. msavoritias

    Thats the point ;) People that you want to contact and they want to contact you, wiln be allowed. Everybody else will not bother

  23. msavoritias

    Spammers included

  24. msavoritias

    Or abuse

  25. msavoritias

    > jonas’: > 09:24:52 msavoritias> If its 1:1 you know the contact. Either through IRL or a group. > that's not true, e.g. support@search.jabber.network. If there is a need for that in my server i will allow it :)

  26. msavoritias

    > Me: > Thats the point ;) > People that you want to contact and they want to contact you, wiln be allowed. > Everybody else will not bother > Spammers included > Or abuse Or will be filtered out of course.

  27. Menel

    Well. In the world where xmpp is as big as email. I can see similar measures needed.. But there has to be much more spam for me to take the ultimate measure of s default block

  28. Menel

    I think thats the very last, not on of the first

  29. msavoritias

    I dont see it just for spam. Its just one aspect of it. But yeah if you want it just for spam we dont have that much right now to be only on allowlist mode.