XMPP Service Operators - 2022-09-02

> About: https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/messaging-and-chat-control/ > Survey: https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/12726-Fighting-child-sexual-abuse-detection-removal-and-reporting-of-illegal-content-online_en Guys, this is a big problem in Europa. Chat Control. . They want to disable e2e encryption and scan everything: text, audio, video, docs; even on the cloud, for child porn. Can you take some time to complete this survey with your real identity? Please tell them how this is very bad for our freedom and rights, and how this doesn't solve the problem because people who share child porn are not using Whatsapp and Google Drive.

dryan stop cross-posting

Also: 90% (federation using) xmpp users are aware, and ~100% operators are.

I am curious how this will affect "personal" servers?

dryan: man that sucks

root: I have high doubts it will, at all

Maranda: time to fire up 10,000 "personal" servers then?

A normative like that, here would be illegal to begin with.

Ya, but not all from one person. Just need to convince enough others to do it. But then we are back to the original battle of convincing others they need to take control of their data.

The fact that people insist EU legislation over rules local member states' normatives, tbh is also very *debatable* to begin with in practice ✏

My understanding was that EU legislation was a "baseline" and member countries could implement those according to their own political systems desires. But I am also not from the EU...

Are quicksy.im users reachable for you?

Hold on, let me make more popcorn so I can properly enjoy "Non-EU citizens complaining about the EU"

They dream of the same "priviledge" hah

That's more linear to the actual truth, just as an example the way GDPR gets applied and can be applied in Italy is *very different* from how it could be applied in Germany etc. root

> Hold on, let me make more popcorn so I can properly enjoy "Non-EU citizens complaining about the EU" Lol, for me I complain about the possible president that can be set with some laws. Don't want to see problematic laws get set anywhere that can effect our basic rights.

> That's more linear to the actual truth, just as an example the way GDPR gets applied and can be applied in Italy is *very different* from how it could be applied in Germany etc. root This must make things fun for international businesses

Wasn't Chat Control mostly about tightening up Facebook sized chat systems?

Could very well be, but once again it makes taking another step further that much easier.

> <Zash> Wasn't Chat Control mostly about tightening up Facebook sized chat systems? As it "was" GDPR at the time... De Facto an annoyance to legally poke out a *tip* out of big corps