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mirux
someone in from disroot?
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PfW (xmpp.pingu.at)
I like the procedure of adding the server name in brackets to the participant name. This is how it is done in the German XMPP Admin MUC.
admin
sorry my client keeps renaming me admin
admin
i'm *not* the admin
Licaon_Kter
admin: which client?
admin
dino
admin
its getting quite annoying
Licaon_Kter
PfW (xmpp.pingu.at): this is a public channel, it's semi-anonymous, having that server in name is a privacy leak...why want that?
Licaon_Kter
admin: `/nick newnik` does not work?
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xutaxkamay
lets see
xutaxkamay
oh
xutaxkamay
well thanks
xutaxkamay
i don't know why i have set my alias to be xutaxkamay but when ever there is two clients connected it just keep admin (my username part)
Licaon_Kter
xutaxkamay: fix it in all clients...
xutaxkamay
its already set so
xutaxkamay
just bugs somewhere, would need to dig into code i guess
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PfW (xmpp.pingu.at)
Licaon_Kter:
> ... this is a public channel, it's semi-anonymous, having that server in name is a privacy leak...why want that?
I use different JIDs for different MUCs. Some, I like to be anonymous, other not.
As an XMPP admin, I'm not really anonymous. My server has a contact information configured, I need an impressum...
On the other hand, I like to be easily found by other admins, if they want to reach me.
So, in this special case it's no privacy leak for me.
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Menel
I don't even know a German admin muc.. Share the jid?
for privacy i guess you could use vpn port forwarding which could solve the ip issue
xutaxkamay
using a vps or something
Trung
the moderators in this chat hall are probably laughing at us since they can see everyone's jid 😊. If you want ultimate privacy, I suggest don't use the internet.
Menel
He trust the admins here, only not every participat Trung .
Menel
Spammers only need a not to join every public channels and have all addresses, if it were open to everyone✎
Licaon_Kter
Trung: it's not about the admin/mod/owners.
Menel
Spammers only need a bot to join every public channels and have all addresses, if it were open to everyone ✏
if there is a spammer in your system, please post in this muc so everybody will block that jid.
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Trung
spammer can hit 1 jid but if we all block the spammer, they will be pretty useless.
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Menel
They can generate unlimited jids.
Menel
As long as there are servers to register It will be possible. Its onl y about make it cost them more.. Its not completely preventable
Trung
open registration is the problem then. coz no normal humans would spend their time doing that.
Menel
_normal_ ... Been to the Internet lately? 😀
Trung
hahahahahaha
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Menel
https://invidious.namazso.eu/watch?v=8NJDMV9hJxc
Welcome to the Internet
Good song
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Trung
hahahaha. oh well i think people don't spam for no reason. there's a cost to everyth i believe.
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moparisthebest
FYI subdomains are free and each come with an infinite supply of jids
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Trung
PfW (xmpp.pingu.at), but then i think best not to share jid randomly though unless u're making a honeypot.
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Trung
yeah but we can contact the admin of those free subdomain and if they don't do anyth abt it then we can block them no?
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moparisthebest
I'm saying a spammer can run unlimited jids on unlimited subdomains
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Trung
…ban the parent domain?
moparisthebest
Sure, then they buy another domain for $1 and start again, how many millions of spam messages can they send before people figure it out
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Zash
moparisthebest, stop giving them ideas
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Trung
a parent domain can't cost a 1$ rite? why would they spend money for nothing?
moparisthebest
$3 at the moment, but you could check other registrar's for sales: https://www.gandi.net/en-US/discounts?sort=price_asc
Zash
Aren't there domains that are free the first year? "Buy" one, don't renew. Free domain.
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Zash
moparisthebest, your scheme requires hosting an xmpp server, which would be the weak point
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moparisthebest
Cheap vps's too, and free domains http://www.dot.tk/en/index.html?lang=en and https://freedns.afraid.org/subdomain/
Sapotaceae
or just compromised hosts
Trung
it's a never ending fight mate. as long as they make more money over the cost they have they will always be active and we'll always be inactive. I mean just look at e-mails. we'll be heading there eventually.
Trung
but the problem with emails is that it's now very very centralised. And XMPP is not as much at the moment so we'll have better chance i think
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Trung
*reactive (me and spelling goddamit)
MattJ
There are many advantages that XMPP has over email for tackling spam. Not saying XMPP will ever be 100% spam-free, but it never has to be as terrible as email (and even SMS) became.
Licaon_Kter
MattJ: its death had no hand in this?
MattJ
Yeah, XMPP being dead helps :P
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moparisthebest
The big advantage, which is sad it's even an advantage, is that if a message comes from @bob.com you can actually be sure bob.com sent it, something sms/email does not have
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moparisthebest
In fact most email things are trying to tack that on later and failing
Trung
yup.
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Trung
email is just so freakin broken. u can just change anythin in the header. there's no hard law.
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Maranda
> <MattJ> There are many advantages that XMPP has over email for tackling spam. Not saying XMPP will ever be 100% spam-free, but it never has to be as terrible as email (and even SMS) became.
Or phone itself
Maranda
Although the privacy-hazard Xiaomi Spam filter works kind of good
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Trung
my Xiaomi keep askin me to give it permission to download an app to change the background or theme or whatever so……
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Trung
it was also very fun to wait for 21 days to unlock the bootloader coz I kept hitting the wrong button
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nicoco
About spam, it’s funny that on various forums where I mentioned XMPP I often received answers concerning the ‘huge spam problem of XMPP’. I guess I arrived after XMPP’s death (I’m just quoting here :P) because I never ever received a single spam message. (This is not a provocation, please do not unleash hell on me for saying that ^^)
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Menel
Same for me..
On my private domain only one familiy member had spam once like 8 years ago.
Then I enabled secure auth for s2s, and that server never connected to me again..
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moparisthebest
I used to get a ton of spam offering me stolen credit cards, half english half russian, none of my other (family/friend) users did, but I'm the only one who spams my JID around
moparisthebest
then I used mod_firewall to block messages containing cyrillic characters, ran that way for maybe a year, removed it, never got more spam again anyway /shrug
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Licaon_Kter
moparisthebest: Y U a racist?
Trung
hahahaha
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moparisthebest
well I can't read it so why deliver it right? :)
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Martin
So far every single spam message contained Cyrillic letters, so if you don't have Russian friends blocking Cyrillic solves the spam problem easily.
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Ellenor Bjornsd.
i have russian friends, but I think they can use forms of rulat if they want