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mirux
chat.disroot.org failed. Certificate hash: 4724dd84f0fc4977d6ce5be5ccb7f6e4d9f7433f. Error with certificate 0: certificate has expired.
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mirux
someone in from disroot?
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PfW (xmpp.pingu.at)
I like the procedure of adding the server name in brackets to the participant name. This is how it is done in the German XMPP Admin MUC.
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admin
sorry my client keeps renaming me admin
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admin
i'm *not* the admin
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Licaon_Kter
admin: which client?
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admin
dino
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admin
its getting quite annoying
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Licaon_Kter
PfW (xmpp.pingu.at): this is a public channel, it's semi-anonymous, having that server in name is a privacy leak...why want that?
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Licaon_Kter
admin: `/nick newnik` does not work?
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xutaxkamay
lets see
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xutaxkamay
oh
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xutaxkamay
well thanks
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xutaxkamay
i don't know why i have set my alias to be xutaxkamay but when ever there is two clients connected it just keep admin (my username part)
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Licaon_Kter
xutaxkamay: fix it in all clients...
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xutaxkamay
its already set so
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xutaxkamay
just bugs somewhere, would need to dig into code i guess
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PfW (xmpp.pingu.at)
Licaon_Kter: > ... this is a public channel, it's semi-anonymous, having that server in name is a privacy leak...why want that? I use different JIDs for different MUCs. Some, I like to be anonymous, other not. As an XMPP admin, I'm not really anonymous. My server has a contact information configured, I need an impressum... On the other hand, I like to be easily found by other admins, if they want to reach me. So, in this special case it's no privacy leak for me.
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Menel
I don't even know a German admin muc.. Share the jid?
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Licaon_Kter
PfW (xmpp.pingu.at): ok, that's up to yeu✎ -
Licaon_Kter
PfW (xmpp.pingu.at): ok, that's up to you ✏
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xutaxkamay
for privacy i guess you could use vpn port forwarding which could solve the ip issue
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xutaxkamay
using a vps or something
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Trung
the moderators in this chat hall are probably laughing at us since they can see everyone's jid 😊. If you want ultimate privacy, I suggest don't use the internet.
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Menel
He trust the admins here, only not every participat Trung .
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Menel
Spammers only need a not to join every public channels and have all addresses, if it were open to everyone✎ -
Licaon_Kter
Trung: it's not about the admin/mod/owners.
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Menel
Spammers only need a bot to join every public channels and have all addresses, if it were open to everyone ✏
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Licaon_Kter
It's about drive-by spamming as said abovee✎ -
Licaon_Kter
It's about drive-by spamming as said above. ✏
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Trung
if there is a spammer in your system, please post in this muc so everybody will block that jid.
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Trung
spammer can hit 1 jid but if we all block the spammer, they will be pretty useless.
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Menel
They can generate unlimited jids.
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Menel
As long as there are servers to register It will be possible. Its onl y about make it cost them more.. Its not completely preventable
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Trung
open registration is the problem then. coz no normal humans would spend their time doing that.
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Menel
_normal_ ... Been to the Internet lately? 😀
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Trung
hahahahahaha
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Menel
https://invidious.namazso.eu/watch?v=8NJDMV9hJxc Welcome to the Internet Good song
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Trung
hahahaha. oh well i think people don't spam for no reason. there's a cost to everyth i believe.
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moparisthebest
FYI subdomains are free and each come with an infinite supply of jids
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Trung
PfW (xmpp.pingu.at), but then i think best not to share jid randomly though unless u're making a honeypot.
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Trung
yeah but we can contact the admin of those free subdomain and if they don't do anyth abt it then we can block them no?
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moparisthebest
I'm saying a spammer can run unlimited jids on unlimited subdomains
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Trung
…ban the parent domain?
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moparisthebest
Sure, then they buy another domain for $1 and start again, how many millions of spam messages can they send before people figure it out
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Zash
moparisthebest, stop giving them ideas
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Trung
a parent domain can't cost a 1$ rite? why would they spend money for nothing?
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moparisthebest
$3 at the moment, but you could check other registrar's for sales: https://www.gandi.net/en-US/discounts?sort=price_asc
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Zash
Aren't there domains that are free the first year? "Buy" one, don't renew. Free domain.
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Zash
moparisthebest, your scheme requires hosting an xmpp server, which would be the weak point
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moparisthebest
Cheap vps's too, and free domains http://www.dot.tk/en/index.html?lang=en and https://freedns.afraid.org/subdomain/
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Sapotaceae
or just compromised hosts
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Trung
it's a never ending fight mate. as long as they make more money over the cost they have they will always be active and we'll always be inactive. I mean just look at e-mails. we'll be heading there eventually.
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Trung
but the problem with emails is that it's now very very centralised. And XMPP is not as much at the moment so we'll have better chance i think
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Trung
*reactive (me and spelling goddamit)
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MattJ
There are many advantages that XMPP has over email for tackling spam. Not saying XMPP will ever be 100% spam-free, but it never has to be as terrible as email (and even SMS) became.
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Licaon_Kter
MattJ: its death had no hand in this?
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MattJ
Yeah, XMPP being dead helps :P
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moparisthebest
The big advantage, which is sad it's even an advantage, is that if a message comes from @bob.com you can actually be sure bob.com sent it, something sms/email does not have
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moparisthebest
In fact most email things are trying to tack that on later and failing
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Trung
yup.
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Trung
email is just so freakin broken. u can just change anythin in the header. there's no hard law.
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Maranda
> <MattJ> There are many advantages that XMPP has over email for tackling spam. Not saying XMPP will ever be 100% spam-free, but it never has to be as terrible as email (and even SMS) became. Or phone itself
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Maranda
Although the privacy-hazard Xiaomi Spam filter works kind of good
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Trung
my Xiaomi keep askin me to give it permission to download an app to change the background or theme or whatever so……
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Trung
it was also very fun to wait for 21 days to unlock the bootloader coz I kept hitting the wrong button
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nicoco
About spam, it’s funny that on various forums where I mentioned XMPP I often received answers concerning the ‘huge spam problem of XMPP’. I guess I arrived after XMPP’s death (I’m just quoting here :P) because I never ever received a single spam message. (This is not a provocation, please do not unleash hell on me for saying that ^^)
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Menel
Same for me.. On my private domain only one familiy member had spam once like 8 years ago. Then I enabled secure auth for s2s, and that server never connected to me again..
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moparisthebest
I used to get a ton of spam offering me stolen credit cards, half english half russian, none of my other (family/friend) users did, but I'm the only one who spams my JID around
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moparisthebest
then I used mod_firewall to block messages containing cyrillic characters, ran that way for maybe a year, removed it, never got more spam again anyway /shrug
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Licaon_Kter
moparisthebest: Y U a racist?
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Trung
hahahaha
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moparisthebest
well I can't read it so why deliver it right? :)
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Martin
So far every single spam message contained Cyrillic letters, so if you don't have Russian friends blocking Cyrillic solves the spam problem easily.
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Ellenor Bjornsd.
i have russian friends, but I think they can use forms of rulat if they want