XMPP Service Operators - 2022-10-02


  1. mirux

    chat.disroot.org failed. Certificate hash: 4724dd84f0fc4977d6ce5be5ccb7f6e4d9f7433f. Error with certificate 0: certificate has expired.

  2. mirux

    someone in from disroot?

  3. PfW (xmpp.pingu.at)

    I like the procedure of adding the server name in brackets to the participant name. This is how it is done in the German XMPP Admin MUC.

  4. admin

    sorry my client keeps renaming me admin

  5. admin

    i'm *not* the admin

  6. Licaon_Kter

    admin: which client?

  7. admin

    dino

  8. admin

    its getting quite annoying

  9. Licaon_Kter

    PfW (xmpp.pingu.at): this is a public channel, it's semi-anonymous, having that server in name is a privacy leak...why want that?

  10. Licaon_Kter

    admin: `/nick newnik` does not work?

  11. xutaxkamay

    lets see

  12. xutaxkamay

    oh

  13. xutaxkamay

    well thanks

  14. xutaxkamay

    i don't know why i have set my alias to be xutaxkamay but when ever there is two clients connected it just keep admin (my username part)

  15. Licaon_Kter

    xutaxkamay: fix it in all clients...

  16. xutaxkamay

    its already set so

  17. xutaxkamay

    just bugs somewhere, would need to dig into code i guess

  18. PfW (xmpp.pingu.at)

    Licaon_Kter: > ... this is a public channel, it's semi-anonymous, having that server in name is a privacy leak...why want that? I use different JIDs for different MUCs. Some, I like to be anonymous, other not. As an XMPP admin, I'm not really anonymous. My server has a contact information configured, I need an impressum... On the other hand, I like to be easily found by other admins, if they want to reach me. So, in this special case it's no privacy leak for me.

  19. Menel

    I don't even know a German admin muc.. Share the jid?

  20. Licaon_Kter

    PfW (xmpp.pingu.at): ok, that's up to yeu

  21. Licaon_Kter

    PfW (xmpp.pingu.at): ok, that's up to you

  22. xutaxkamay

    for privacy i guess you could use vpn port forwarding which could solve the ip issue

  23. xutaxkamay

    using a vps or something

  24. Trung

    the moderators in this chat hall are probably laughing at us since they can see everyone's jid 😊. If you want ultimate privacy, I suggest don't use the internet.

  25. Menel

    He trust the admins here, only not every participat Trung .

  26. Menel

    Spammers only need a not to join every public channels and have all addresses, if it were open to everyone

  27. Licaon_Kter

    Trung: it's not about the admin/mod/owners.

  28. Menel

    Spammers only need a bot to join every public channels and have all addresses, if it were open to everyone

  29. Licaon_Kter

    It's about drive-by spamming as said abovee

  30. Licaon_Kter

    It's about drive-by spamming as said above.

  31. Trung

    if there is a spammer in your system, please post in this muc so everybody will block that jid.

  32. Trung

    spammer can hit 1 jid but if we all block the spammer, they will be pretty useless.

  33. Menel

    They can generate unlimited jids.

  34. Menel

    As long as there are servers to register It will be possible. Its onl y about make it cost them more.. Its not completely preventable

  35. Trung

    open registration is the problem then. coz no normal humans would spend their time doing that.

  36. Menel

    _normal_ ... Been to the Internet lately? 😀

  37. Trung

    hahahahahaha

  38. Menel

    https://invidious.namazso.eu/watch?v=8NJDMV9hJxc Welcome to the Internet Good song

  39. Trung

    hahahaha. oh well i think people don't spam for no reason. there's a cost to everyth i believe.

  40. moparisthebest

    FYI subdomains are free and each come with an infinite supply of jids

  41. Trung

    PfW (xmpp.pingu.at), but then i think best not to share jid randomly though unless u're making a honeypot.

  42. Trung

    yeah but we can contact the admin of those free subdomain and if they don't do anyth abt it then we can block them no?

  43. moparisthebest

    I'm saying a spammer can run unlimited jids on unlimited subdomains

  44. Trung

    …ban the parent domain?

  45. moparisthebest

    Sure, then they buy another domain for $1 and start again, how many millions of spam messages can they send before people figure it out

  46. Zash

    moparisthebest, stop giving them ideas

  47. Trung

    a parent domain can't cost a 1$ rite? why would they spend money for nothing?

  48. moparisthebest

    $3 at the moment, but you could check other registrar's for sales: https://www.gandi.net/en-US/discounts?sort=price_asc

  49. Zash

    Aren't there domains that are free the first year? "Buy" one, don't renew. Free domain.

  50. Zash

    moparisthebest, your scheme requires hosting an xmpp server, which would be the weak point

  51. moparisthebest

    Cheap vps's too, and free domains http://www.dot.tk/en/index.html?lang=en and https://freedns.afraid.org/subdomain/

  52. Sapotaceae

    or just compromised hosts

  53. Trung

    it's a never ending fight mate. as long as they make more money over the cost they have they will always be active and we'll always be inactive. I mean just look at e-mails. we'll be heading there eventually.

  54. Trung

    but the problem with emails is that it's now very very centralised. And XMPP is not as much at the moment so we'll have better chance i think

  55. Trung

    *reactive (me and spelling goddamit)

  56. MattJ

    There are many advantages that XMPP has over email for tackling spam. Not saying XMPP will ever be 100% spam-free, but it never has to be as terrible as email (and even SMS) became.

  57. Licaon_Kter

    MattJ: its death had no hand in this?

  58. MattJ

    Yeah, XMPP being dead helps :P

  59. moparisthebest

    The big advantage, which is sad it's even an advantage, is that if a message comes from @bob.com you can actually be sure bob.com sent it, something sms/email does not have

  60. moparisthebest

    In fact most email things are trying to tack that on later and failing

  61. Trung

    yup.

  62. Trung

    email is just so freakin broken. u can just change anythin in the header. there's no hard law.

  63. Maranda

    > <MattJ> There are many advantages that XMPP has over email for tackling spam. Not saying XMPP will ever be 100% spam-free, but it never has to be as terrible as email (and even SMS) became. Or phone itself

  64. Maranda

    Although the privacy-hazard Xiaomi Spam filter works kind of good

  65. Trung

    my Xiaomi keep askin me to give it permission to download an app to change the background or theme or whatever so……

  66. Trung

    it was also very fun to wait for 21 days to unlock the bootloader coz I kept hitting the wrong button

  67. nicoco

    About spam, it’s funny that on various forums where I mentioned XMPP I often received answers concerning the ‘huge spam problem of XMPP’. I guess I arrived after XMPP’s death (I’m just quoting here :P) because I never ever received a single spam message. (This is not a provocation, please do not unleash hell on me for saying that ^^)

  68. Menel

    Same for me.. On my private domain only one familiy member had spam once like 8 years ago. Then I enabled secure auth for s2s, and that server never connected to me again..

  69. moparisthebest

    I used to get a ton of spam offering me stolen credit cards, half english half russian, none of my other (family/friend) users did, but I'm the only one who spams my JID around

  70. moparisthebest

    then I used mod_firewall to block messages containing cyrillic characters, ran that way for maybe a year, removed it, never got more spam again anyway /shrug

  71. Licaon_Kter

    moparisthebest: Y U a racist?

  72. Trung

    hahahaha

  73. moparisthebest

    well I can't read it so why deliver it right? :)

  74. Martin

    So far every single spam message contained Cyrillic letters, so if you don't have Russian friends blocking Cyrillic solves the spam problem easily.

  75. Ellenor Bjornsd.

    i have russian friends, but I think they can use forms of rulat if they want