XMPP Service Operators - 2022-10-02


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  513. mirux chat.disroot.org failed. Certificate hash: 4724dd84f0fc4977d6ce5be5ccb7f6e4d9f7433f. Error with certificate 0: certificate has expired.
  514. mirux someone in from disroot?
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  532. PfW (xmpp.pingu.at) I like the procedure of adding the server name in brackets to the participant name. This is how it is done in the German XMPP Admin MUC.
  533. admin sorry my client keeps renaming me admin
  534. admin i'm *not* the admin
  535. Licaon_Kter admin: which client?
  536. admin dino
  537. admin its getting quite annoying
  538. Licaon_Kter PfW (xmpp.pingu.at): this is a public channel, it's semi-anonymous, having that server in name is a privacy leak...why want that?
  539. Licaon_Kter admin: `/nick newnik` does not work?
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  544. xutaxkamay lets see
  545. xutaxkamay oh
  546. xutaxkamay well thanks
  547. xutaxkamay i don't know why i have set my alias to be xutaxkamay but when ever there is two clients connected it just keep admin (my username part)
  548. Licaon_Kter xutaxkamay: fix it in all clients...
  549. xutaxkamay its already set so
  550. xutaxkamay just bugs somewhere, would need to dig into code i guess
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  603. PfW (xmpp.pingu.at) Licaon_Kter: > ... this is a public channel, it's semi-anonymous, having that server in name is a privacy leak...why want that? I use different JIDs for different MUCs. Some, I like to be anonymous, other not. As an XMPP admin, I'm not really anonymous. My server has a contact information configured, I need an impressum... On the other hand, I like to be easily found by other admins, if they want to reach me. So, in this special case it's no privacy leak for me.
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  606. Menel I don't even know a German admin muc.. Share the jid?
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  616. Licaon_Kter PfW (xmpp.pingu.at): ok, that's up to yeu
  617. Licaon_Kter PfW (xmpp.pingu.at): ok, that's up to you
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  619. xutaxkamay for privacy i guess you could use vpn port forwarding which could solve the ip issue
  620. xutaxkamay using a vps or something
  621. Trung the moderators in this chat hall are probably laughing at us since they can see everyone's jid 😊. If you want ultimate privacy, I suggest don't use the internet.
  622. Menel He trust the admins here, only not every participat Trung .
  623. Menel Spammers only need a not to join every public channels and have all addresses, if it were open to everyone
  624. Licaon_Kter Trung: it's not about the admin/mod/owners.
  625. Menel Spammers only need a bot to join every public channels and have all addresses, if it were open to everyone
  626. Licaon_Kter It's about drive-by spamming as said abovee
  627. Licaon_Kter It's about drive-by spamming as said above.
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  632. Trung if there is a spammer in your system, please post in this muc so everybody will block that jid.
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  635. Trung spammer can hit 1 jid but if we all block the spammer, they will be pretty useless.
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  637. Menel They can generate unlimited jids.
  638. Menel As long as there are servers to register It will be possible. Its onl y about make it cost them more.. Its not completely preventable
  639. Trung open registration is the problem then. coz no normal humans would spend their time doing that.
  640. Menel _normal_ ... Been to the Internet lately? 😀
  641. Trung hahahahahaha
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  643. Menel https://invidious.namazso.eu/watch?v=8NJDMV9hJxc Welcome to the Internet Good song
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  646. Trung hahahaha. oh well i think people don't spam for no reason. there's a cost to everyth i believe.
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  649. moparisthebest FYI subdomains are free and each come with an infinite supply of jids
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  651. Trung PfW (xmpp.pingu.at), but then i think best not to share jid randomly though unless u're making a honeypot.
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  658. Trung yeah but we can contact the admin of those free subdomain and if they don't do anyth abt it then we can block them no?
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  663. moparisthebest I'm saying a spammer can run unlimited jids on unlimited subdomains
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  665. Trung …ban the parent domain?
  666. moparisthebest Sure, then they buy another domain for $1 and start again, how many millions of spam messages can they send before people figure it out
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  670. Zash moparisthebest, stop giving them ideas
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  674. Trung a parent domain can't cost a 1$ rite? why would they spend money for nothing?
  675. moparisthebest $3 at the moment, but you could check other registrar's for sales: https://www.gandi.net/en-US/discounts?sort=price_asc
  676. Zash Aren't there domains that are free the first year? "Buy" one, don't renew. Free domain.
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  678. Zash moparisthebest, your scheme requires hosting an xmpp server, which would be the weak point
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  684. moparisthebest Cheap vps's too, and free domains http://www.dot.tk/en/index.html?lang=en and https://freedns.afraid.org/subdomain/
  685. Sapotaceae or just compromised hosts
  686. Trung it's a never ending fight mate. as long as they make more money over the cost they have they will always be active and we'll always be inactive. I mean just look at e-mails. we'll be heading there eventually.
  687. Trung but the problem with emails is that it's now very very centralised. And XMPP is not as much at the moment so we'll have better chance i think
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  691. Trung *reactive (me and spelling goddamit)
  692. MattJ There are many advantages that XMPP has over email for tackling spam. Not saying XMPP will ever be 100% spam-free, but it never has to be as terrible as email (and even SMS) became.
  693. Licaon_Kter MattJ: its death had no hand in this?
  694. MattJ Yeah, XMPP being dead helps :P
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  711. moparisthebest The big advantage, which is sad it's even an advantage, is that if a message comes from @bob.com you can actually be sure bob.com sent it, something sms/email does not have
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  714. moparisthebest In fact most email things are trying to tack that on later and failing
  715. Trung yup.
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  717. Trung email is just so freakin broken. u can just change anythin in the header. there's no hard law.
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  740. Maranda > <MattJ> There are many advantages that XMPP has over email for tackling spam. Not saying XMPP will ever be 100% spam-free, but it never has to be as terrible as email (and even SMS) became. Or phone itself
  741. Maranda Although the privacy-hazard Xiaomi Spam filter works kind of good
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  758. Trung my Xiaomi keep askin me to give it permission to download an app to change the background or theme or whatever so……
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  760. Trung it was also very fun to wait for 21 days to unlock the bootloader coz I kept hitting the wrong button
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  786. nicoco About spam, it’s funny that on various forums where I mentioned XMPP I often received answers concerning the ‘huge spam problem of XMPP’. I guess I arrived after XMPP’s death (I’m just quoting here :P) because I never ever received a single spam message. (This is not a provocation, please do not unleash hell on me for saying that ^^)
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  796. Menel Same for me.. On my private domain only one familiy member had spam once like 8 years ago. Then I enabled secure auth for s2s, and that server never connected to me again..
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  802. moparisthebest I used to get a ton of spam offering me stolen credit cards, half english half russian, none of my other (family/friend) users did, but I'm the only one who spams my JID around
  803. moparisthebest then I used mod_firewall to block messages containing cyrillic characters, ran that way for maybe a year, removed it, never got more spam again anyway /shrug
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  907. Licaon_Kter moparisthebest: Y U a racist?
  908. Trung hahahaha
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  910. moparisthebest well I can't read it so why deliver it right? :)
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  997. Martin So far every single spam message contained Cyrillic letters, so if you don't have Russian friends blocking Cyrillic solves the spam problem easily.
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  1030. Ellenor Bjornsd. i have russian friends, but I think they can use forms of rulat if they want
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