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  446. kuba_ i don't know if it's right place for this question, sorry if it's not:
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  448. kuba_ is there any site that monitors xmpp servs uptime?
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  458. mathieui You mean, the duration?
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  460. MattJ kuba_, if you want to know the current status and history of a public server's uptime, this may be useful: https://status.conversations.im/
  461. MattJ If you run a server and want to monitor it, this may be useful: https://observe.jabber.network/
  462. MattJ If you want to do a quick check of any server: https://xmpp-connectivity-check.mwild1.repl.co/
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  468. kuba_ MattJ: tyvm. 1st link is what i needed
  469. kuba_ https://status.conversations.im/historical/ to be exact
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  485. Menel There are also some other Websites in the wildy that track that.. But I don't have the links anymore...
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  513. Trung thanks Menel!
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  577. Menel Found it https://www.jabberes.org/servers/servers_by_uptime.html
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  581. Menel Not quite up to date anymore it seems
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  609. kuba_ Menel: thx anyway
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  663. MattJ General FYI: I've relocated https://xmpp-connectivity-check.mwild1.repl.co/ to https://connect.xmpp.net/ (shorter URL and more trustworthy host 😉)
  664. edhelas Test took 0.3338691517710686 seconds
  665. edhelas What a precise time 👌
  666. mjk string.format('%.16f', t) ?
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  670. Ge0rG pressing [enter] in the input box does not submit the form
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  673. mjk ...and it demands I identify ducks in pictures to view the source code
  674. Ge0rG but you don't give a duck?
  675. mjk _after_ being cloudwalled
  676. mjk Ge0rG: not even a flying one
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  678. mjk somewhat relatedly, I can't seem to duckduckgo documentaion for foorl... or indeed anything relevant at all
  679. Ge0rG foorl is just the bot's name, the code is at https://github.com/horazont/xmpp-crowd
  680. MattJ mjk, browser menu -> view source
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  682. mjk d'oh!
  683. MattJ Ducks identification is one reason I'm moving it
  684. mjk thanks both Ge0rG and MattJ
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  698. mjk ah, so %.16f is how o.j.n formats the response json
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  700. mjk or some equivalent
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  706. MattJ Okay, pushed some visual improvements, submit on enter, and some rounding on the test duration :)
  707. mjk 👍️
  708. Ge0rG þo/
  709. Ge0rG \o/
  710. MattJ Haven't fixed the source link, I'll do that once I've actually moved to a new repo
  711. mjk it could just link to view-source: fwiw :D
  712. MattJ It could, but I'm not sure if that is a standard across browsers... :)
  713. mjk right
  714. MattJ > On 25 May 2011, the 'view-source' URI scheme was officially registered with IANA per RFC 4395.
  715. MattJ So...!
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  718. mjk orrr serve the same page as text/plain!
  719. mjk oh, also noticed there's no <noscript> warning that js is required
  720. Ge0rG "Connection failed!" 😥
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  722. mjk now that I enabled js, same here
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  729. MattJ Connection failed to what?
  730. mjk snikket.chat
  731. mjk hm. dev.snikket.chat works
  732. MattJ snikket.chat isn't an XMPP service, so that's expected
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  734. mjk sry for the noise then :)
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  741. Zash MattJ, IN SRV 0 0 0 . ?
  742. MattJ Could do, yes
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  745. Ge0rG MattJ: Connection failed to a test host that doesn't serve XMPP. What I wanted to point out is that there is no specific error message about what went wrong
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  747. MattJ Sure, it's just meant to be a quick "is it up?" tool
  748. MattJ Once the new xmpp.net is live, it can link to that for more advanced information
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  754. Zash xmpp:no-service.badxmpp.eu has `IN SRV 0 0 0 .` so could compare with that
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  793. moparisthebest But without DNSSEC clients/servers shouldn't trust that and should attempt to connect anyway
  794. Zash Sigh.
  795. MattJ Does it make a difference? Without DNSSEC there are many other ways to mess around with the results and stop clients successfully connecting.
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  797. MattJ I think you're just saying, "DNSSEC should be used" :)
  798. moparisthebest Well it should be but if the domain doesn't have it enabled... Still shouldn't trust it
  799. moparisthebest There are many ways yes, but also highly likely an attacker that can mess with DNS can't or doesn't block other connections, no harm in trying
  800. MattJ But that's just the same as saying it shouldn't trust anything without DNSSEC
  801. Zash Other direction! Don't connect to anything without DNSSEC!
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  804. moparisthebest > But that's just the same as saying it shouldn't trust anything without DNSSEC Right, we don't trust, we verify, in the srv records existing case that means checking the cert names match the original domain name, in the srv record . case that means connecting anyway
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  810. MattJ Good point, but it makes no practical difference in this case
  811. MattJ The point of injecting '.' would be to deny access to a legitimate domain. If the client ignores that, the attacker should just inject an invalid SRV target instead.
  812. MattJ Cert verification will fail, but... access successfully denied
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  815. moparisthebest Either way there is no harm in trying to connect directly to 5222/5269 and 443, it might get through
  816. MattJ Depends whether there is an attacker messing with your DNS :)
  817. Zash You're saying "Just always ignore SRV records"
  818. MattJ It's not unique to SRV though - they can just mess with A records
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  820. moparisthebest No, I'm saying we never trust them anyway, why would . be deserving of special trust
  821. Zash Fallback was a mistake, we should have mandated SRV records
  822. MattJ . isn't deserving of special trust, it's treated equally and the effect is ultimately no better or worse than an attacker modifying any other DNS response
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  826. MattJ If anything, denying a connection is safer from a client perspective than being redirected to an attacker's server (which may gather IPs, or host some TLS exploit, or whatever)
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  839. Maranda > <Zash> Other direction! Don't connect to anything without DNSSEC! Aka any .im domain 😏
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  842. Ge0rG ,oO( .IM TLD DNSSEC DLV DANE XMPP TLSA RR )
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  846. MattJ Nobody noticed me accidentally roll out broken DNSSEC for *.snikket.chat this week (except observe.jabber.network, kudos). I think we have a long way to go until DNSSEC saves anyone :)
  847. Ge0rG how do you call a long way that's getting longer faster than you move along it?
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  852. Maranda ``` ~# dig ds im. ; <<>> DiG 9.16.29 <<>> ds im. ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 27924 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 1 ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION: ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 4000 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;im. IN DS ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: . 882 IN SOA a.root-servers.net. nstld.verisign-grs.com. 2022100600 1800 900 604800 86400 ```
  853. mjk Ge0rG: DNS Adventures in Mirror World?
  854. Maranda is puzzled by Ge0rG bubble.
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  860. Maranda For a second you illuded me, I could get an answer to that
  861. Ge0rG Maranda: https://op-co.de/blog/posts/yax_im_dnssec/
  862. Ge0rG That was around 2016, before DLV got ditched due to widespread availability of DNSSEC
  863. Maranda hehe
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  865. Ge0rG > Currently, StartSSL and WoSign offer free certificates, and Let's Encrypt is about to launch. This is ancient!
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  867. Zash StartWHAT and WhoSign?
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  871. Ge0rG WHO? That escalated quickly!
  872. mjk vaccine certs?
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  920. moparisthebest > Nobody noticed me accidentally roll out broken DNSSEC for *.snikket.chat this week (except observe.jabber.network, kudos). I think we have a long way to go until DNSSEC saves anyone :) Which is unfortunately why my already implemented but not written down in XEP form discovery for QUIC doesn't use DNS but instead an https request like host-meta.json :'(
  921. moparisthebest But at least it has a flag where if it's set means you don't need to do any srv or posh lookups at all...
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  925. MattJ Yes, please write that spec :)
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  990. Maranda > <moparisthebest> > Nobody noticed me accidentally roll out broken DNSSEC for *.snikket.chat this week (except observe.jabber.network, kudos). I think we have a long way to go until DNSSEC saves anyone :) > > Which is unfortunately why my already implemented but not written down in XEP form discovery for QUIC doesn't use DNS but instead an https request like host-meta.json :'( So you reinvented a dot well-known?
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  997. MattJ No, it would be included under .well-known, like the existing host-meta
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  1015. moparisthebest Yep, actually I just crammed more stuff in the existing host-meta.json
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