XMPP Service Operators - 2022-11-04


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  38. nuegia.net > y'all use a security focused memory allocator on your servers? Sapotaceae, what's the point?
  39. Sapotaceae They can directly mitigate many forms of double free, use after free, write after free, and invalid free which are common vulnerabilities
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  41. moparisthebest That's a strange way to write "RiiR"
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  43. nuegia.net Sapotaceae, can yoou explain why those are problems?
  44. nuegia.net if i understand it correctly, this is memory leaking confidential data due to not zeroing before use correct?
  45. nuegia.net isn't it the program's fault for not deallocating memory after it's done with it not the memory allocator?
  46. nuegia.net any real world benefit from say, running prosody with glibc malloc vs ottomalloc?
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  49. nuegia.net I tried changing the default malloc system-wide before
  50. nuegia.net on a linux system
  51. nuegia.net ended up with weird segmentation faults
  52. nuegia.net but most programs did accept a new malloc, and some had noticable performance improvements from sqitching say, qbittorrent from glibc malloc to jemalloc
  53. nuegia.net i know that openbsd uses ottomalloc system wide
  54. nuegia.net are there any security focused mallocs in the debian repositories?
  55. nuegia.net freebsd repositories?
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  127. nuegia.net libhardenedmallouc has little effect on increasing prosody's memory usage
  128. nuegia.net my guess is that's probably because prosody doesn't make a bunch of small allocations
  129. nuegia.net but on other things like gettys it brings the resident usage from less than 1mb to 2-3 mb
  130. nuegia.net also interesting is that every process hardenedmalloc is used with reports a 12T virtual memory usage
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  252. Link Mauve moparisthebest, weird segmentation faults are exactly the goal, when a (C) program is not using the allocated memory correctly, instead of silently continuing operations in a corrupted state or potentially leaking data, it will crash properly.
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  258. Link Mauve nuegia.net, *
  259. nuegia.net I understand
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  262. nuegia.net thankyou
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  267. Link Mauve Of course, once you get a segfault, you should investigate into it, debug out why it happens and in which situation, and then report it or even fix it.
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  269. Link Mauve Similar to asan, ubsan, valgrind, etc., it can be a tool which helps make fewer C mistakes.
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  288. nuegia.net I'll be testing libhardened_malloc with prosody and biboumi
  289. nuegia.net If anybody is interested in the results let me know
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  292. Link Mauve The devs of these two projects most likely.
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  315. Menel That was informative 🙂 (well not the last two posts)
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  354. Guus Have others noticed a recent uptake in spam?
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  358. MattJ No, what kind of spam?
  359. Guus short messages that appear to poll for activity
  360. MattJ I had one message recently asking if I was free for a chat. It wasn't clearly spam, but it wasn't clearly not, so I just ignored it
  361. Guus from accounts on xmpp.jp, jabber.de, im.apinc.org, yourdata.forsale, 0day.im, for a cursory look.
  362. MattJ Haven't received anything else
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  365. Guus The spam run very clearly started on October 20
  366. Guus is jabber.de operated by someone that we know in the community?
  367. Link Mauve Guus, im.apinc.org is handled by us, could you give me (in private perhaps) the list of JIDs that have been spamming you?
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  370. Link Mauve Now and in the future, any spam message originating from our domains is an instant ban.
  371. Guus will do, tx
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  374. Ge0rG checks server logs for spam
  375. nuegia.net i've not had that spam but I have had russian bots asking for a job
  376. nuegia.net and just repeating the same sentence in russian over and over again in mucs
  377. msavoritias Happened in some of mu mucs here too. And still happening as of this morning
  378. nuegia.net msavoritias, what domain is it coming from?
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  385. msavoritias The one from a few days ago conversations.im Not sure about the one today. Not a mod there
  386. Ge0rG My #1 ingress spam domain is chinwag.im but it's got the most messages per flagged account
  387. Ge0rG exploit.im has the most bots, with 1 message each
  388. Ge0rG but it doesn't look like more spam than earlier, total 13k spam messages in the last 2 weeks
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  392. nuegia.net I wonder if the people spamming realize how much time it takes out of all of us and how visible they are
  393. nuegia.net when we have these 'waves' to deal with
  394. Guus chinwag is on my list too.
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  396. emus The admin has been contacted? hes from australia and should be reachable
  397. nuegia.net the emus are currently fighing over him between the spiders
  398. emus ^^
  399. emus neat
  400. Guus emus, can you send me his contact details?
  401. nuegia.net Never underestimate an Emu. You Will Lose. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emu_War
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  405. emus Done!
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  408. Ge0rG nuegia.net: that's called an "externality" in economic theory.
  409. nuegia.net XD
  410. Guus This is a list of domains that I received spam from, for which I don't have admin contacts. If anyone recognizes a domain as their own (or knows how to get in contact with an admin), I appreciate a message. https://pastebin.com/Y0XjUW9a
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  413. emus blabber.im should be offline
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  415. Licaon_Kter Guus: 404.city admin was here yesterday, as usual to complain on something that was not "perfect" creep.im admin was around, I can try and ping them if you PM me some accounts that spammed
  416. mike Hey folks, this is weird I've been showing as connected to operators but seen no messages since October 28. If anyone's got a list of Chinwag accounts dropping spam please mail it to admin@chinwag.im and I'll nuke them immediately
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  418. Guus mike, I just sent you a subscription request
  419. mike I had a few that I spotted a while back that activated and started spamming, they were all registered back in 2018. I figured someone was burning old reserves and had run out
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  421. emus Guus: possibly wrong ID
  422. msavoritias 404 also says this email for abuse support@404.city
  423. msavoritias 5 of july is this info@5july.org
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  425. mike My published abuse contact info should show mailto:admin@chinwag.im I do monitor that.
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  433. msavoritias Interesting that there is even the CCC xmpp server in there
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  435. emus msavoritias: but the ccc server is a probllem for years alreaady
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  437. msavoritias Ah wasnt aware 😅
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  439. Guus Oh, I messed up a timestamp when generating that list of offending domains. The still have accounts that spam, but I didn't limit that to the last 2 weeks or so.
  440. Guus This is the list of domains that had accounts that _recently_ spammed: https://pastebin.com/Wc8S6iFD
  441. mike Yeah confirmed at least one more reactivated that's been dormant since 2018. This spammer is very patient.
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  444. Guus I'm guessing that there are lists of credentials for accounts-to-be-used-for-spam floating around.
  445. Link Mauve For sure.
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  448. Licaon_Kter mike: no yearly cleanup of inactive accounts?
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  451. mike Not if they have ever been used. I only sweep registered but never logged into.
  452. mike If someone only has something to say every ten years, that's fine. Given there's rarely any way to contact out of band and warn of upcoming deletion I'm very adverse to it.
  453. MattJ Actually deleting accounts is problematic anyway, better to lock or tombstone them
  454. mike definitely.
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