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Licaon_Kter
nuegia.net-2: > sarahlee please do not enforce OMEMO, it's experimental, alpha quality, and funding does not exist to make it a first class feature on most clients yet And they should use what then? XOR? ROT13? Caesars? OTRv3? Which one is established and not experimental? Which one is stable? Which one is currently funded? Funny enough, OMEMO has been funded in the last years from NLnet for Kaidan and Libervia at least.
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Licaon_Kter
Funny enough OMEMO has been evolved to omemo:2, etc.
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nuegia.net-2
OTR is easier and cheaper to implement and already is widely
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nuegia.net-2
unfortunately, some clients have ripped it out of newer versions before OMEMO has been stablized, or even leaving it is as a fallback mode
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nuegia.net-2
> Funny enough, OMEMO has been funded in the last years from NLnet for Kaidan and Libervia at least despite that my client does not have support for it and I get support tickets from users running other clients about how their messages dissapeared into the ether or is stuck on or other omemo related issue
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nuegia.net-2
s
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Licaon_Kter
nuegia.net-2: otr is not fit, no multidevice, no groups, no offline. But you know all these, right?
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nuegia.net-2
I've even been in group chats that were using omemo, only for a single non-omemo user to join in and suddenly their clients literally can't post anything
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Licaon_Kter
nuegia.net-2: which client is that? What does it have that is BETTER?
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nuegia.net-2
until they come on with a different client that doesn't support omemo and ask him to leave
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Trung
nuegia.net, which client?
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Licaon_Kter
nuegia.net-2: > I've even been in group chats that were using omemo, only for a single non-omemo user to join in and suddenly their clients literally can't post anything Why invite (because they can't join) an user that has no omemo?
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nuegia.net-2
> otr is not fit, no multidevice, no groups, no offline. But you know all these, right? yeah I know, but it's more robust and reliable
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nuegia.net-2
Vacuum-IM
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Licaon_Kter
It's unusable then....
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nuegia.net-2
Hey, I sense your getting defensive
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nuegia.net-2
This isn't about one-upping someone or anything like that
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nuegia.net-2
I'm merely talking about practical problems
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Trung
rite. here's my recomendation: https://chat.trung.fun/tai-lieu/may-khach.en.html
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nuegia.net-2
Licaon_Kter, what is unusable then?
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nuegia.net-2
also
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nuegia.net-2
for the clients that removed omemo because SUPER WHIZBANG something encryption 2.0 came out
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nuegia.net-2
OTR is still very popular for SMS
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nuegia.net-2
and with jmp.chat's service, xmpp sms integration is re-becoming a thing
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msavoritias
Sms is US specific. Nobody else bothert
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nuegia.net
the US is a big place
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Trung
this thing was updated last year: https://github.com/Vacuum-IM/vacuum-im
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msavoritias
And if i cant send messages while the other person is offline then the server is useless. I might as well be using briar
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Trung
much have happened since.
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nuegia.net
If you update it, I will pull down and install your updates fixing the issue
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Trung
official site say latest is v1.2.5 in 2015. Today is 2022-12-18. Move on man
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nuegia.net
I'm running master
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nuegia.net
1.3.0.20200509-Alpha
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Licaon_Kter
nuegia.net-2: > Licaon_Kter, what is unusable then? Otrv3
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Licaon_Kter
nuegia.net-2: > for the clients that removed omemo because SUPER WHIZBANG something encryption 2.0 came out Which one did that? > OTR is still very popular for SMS Which client?
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msavoritias
> nuegia.net: > the US is a big place Its less than 5% of the world population. Doesnt make sense to hold on to better sms compatibility for one country
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nuegia.net
I don't like sms any more than you do. I hate and and want to get rid of it
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nuegia.net
but some people still use it
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Trung
nuegia.net, sorry, OTR is too old, it's exists as legacy for me. All client I sent earlier has OMEMO and PGP works fine in every thing. If you can't move to them, it's your problem.
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nuegia.net
woah
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nuegia.net
watch out
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nuegia.net
It's future-man over here
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Licaon_Kter
So push them to xmpp, nuegia.net
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nuegia.net
MaMaMaMaMaMaMAAAAAAMax Headroooooooooom
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Trung
anyway, this is a operators room. all this is off-topic here.
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nuegia.net-2
> So push them to xmpp, nuegia.net can't right now, there's other things going on in their life
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nuegia.net-2
and they've got bussiness contacts who won't switch
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Licaon_Kter
nuegia.net-2: there will always be stuff, but we're getting offtopic We can continue on xmpp:conversations-offtopic-reloaded@conference.trashserver.net?join ;)
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nuegia.net
Licaon_Kter, are you asking me to?
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Licaon_Kter
I'm not anything...as you see fit :)
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nuegia.net
I don't understand
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Licaon_Kter
Nevermind then
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Trung
> I don't understand if your client has bug, go contact the developers of that particular client. This is the wrong place.
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moparisthebest
nuegia.net: what makes you think OMEMO isn't stable or even less widely implemented than OTR
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Licaon_Kter
moparisthebest: why restart this?
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moparisthebest
https://xkcd.com/386/
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Licaon_Kter
moparisthebest: we're already piling onto them repeating the mantra, _"otr is bad, omemo 4 ever"_