XMPP Service Operators - 2022-12-18

nuegia.net-2: > sarahlee please do not enforce OMEMO, it's experimental, alpha quality, and funding does not exist to make it a first class feature on most clients yet And they should use what then? XOR? ROT13? Caesars? OTRv3? Which one is established and not experimental? Which one is stable? Which one is currently funded? Funny enough, OMEMO has been funded in the last years from NLnet for Kaidan and Libervia at least.

Funny enough OMEMO has been evolved to omemo:2, etc.

OTR is easier and cheaper to implement and already is widely

unfortunately, some clients have ripped it out of newer versions before OMEMO has been stablized, or even leaving it is as a fallback mode

> Funny enough, OMEMO has been funded in the last years from NLnet for Kaidan and Libervia at least despite that my client does not have support for it and I get support tickets from users running other clients about how their messages dissapeared into the ether or is stuck on or other omemo related issue

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nuegia.net-2: otr is not fit, no multidevice, no groups, no offline. But you know all these, right?

I've even been in group chats that were using omemo, only for a single non-omemo user to join in and suddenly their clients literally can't post anything

nuegia.net-2: which client is that? What does it have that is BETTER?

until they come on with a different client that doesn't support omemo and ask him to leave

nuegia.net, which client?

nuegia.net-2: > I've even been in group chats that were using omemo, only for a single non-omemo user to join in and suddenly their clients literally can't post anything Why invite (because they can't join) an user that has no omemo?

> otr is not fit, no multidevice, no groups, no offline. But you know all these, right? yeah I know, but it's more robust and reliable

Vacuum-IM

It's unusable then....

Hey, I sense your getting defensive

This isn't about one-upping someone or anything like that

I'm merely talking about practical problems

rite. here's my recomendation: https://chat.trung.fun/tai-lieu/may-khach.en.html

Licaon_Kter, what is unusable then?

also

for the clients that removed omemo because SUPER WHIZBANG something encryption 2.0 came out

OTR is still very popular for SMS

and with jmp.chat's service, xmpp sms integration is re-becoming a thing

Sms is US specific. Nobody else bothert

the US is a big place

this thing was updated last year: https://github.com/Vacuum-IM/vacuum-im

And if i cant send messages while the other person is offline then the server is useless. I might as well be using briar

much have happened since.

If you update it, I will pull down and install your updates fixing the issue

official site say latest is v1.2.5 in 2015. Today is 2022-12-18. Move on man

I'm running master

1.3.0.20200509-Alpha

nuegia.net-2: > Licaon_Kter, what is unusable then? Otrv3

nuegia.net-2: > for the clients that removed omemo because SUPER WHIZBANG something encryption 2.0 came out Which one did that? > OTR is still very popular for SMS Which client?

> nuegia.net: > the US is a big place Its less than 5% of the world population. Doesnt make sense to hold on to better sms compatibility for one country

I don't like sms any more than you do. I hate and and want to get rid of it

but some people still use it

nuegia.net, sorry, OTR is too old, it's exists as legacy for me. All client I sent earlier has OMEMO and PGP works fine in every thing. If you can't move to them, it's your problem.

woah

watch out

It's future-man over here

So push them to xmpp, nuegia.net

MaMaMaMaMaMaMAAAAAAMax Headroooooooooom

anyway, this is a operators room. all this is off-topic here.

> So push them to xmpp, nuegia.net can't right now, there's other things going on in their life

and they've got bussiness contacts who won't switch

nuegia.net-2: there will always be stuff, but we're getting offtopic We can continue on xmpp:conversations-offtopic-reloaded@conference.trashserver.net?join ;)

Licaon_Kter, are you asking me to?

I'm not anything...as you see fit :)

I don't understand

Nevermind then

> I don't understand if your client has bug, go contact the developers of that particular client. This is the wrong place.

nuegia.net: what makes you think OMEMO isn't stable or even less widely implemented than OTR

moparisthebest: why restart this?

https://xkcd.com/386/

moparisthebest: we're already piling onto them repeating the mantra, _"otr is bad, omemo 4 ever"_