perhaps account creation on that server should be made pending approval
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other servers are used as well, sometimes
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*on all servers
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I guess that won't work because the accounts will still be created just with innocuous seeming names
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root
I am going to assume that they are using a VPN, but in case they are not, block the IP?
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Folks using Prosody's mod_muc_rtbl, it's recommended to update to the new version. If you have the version from last night, the new one fixes a bug.
MattJ
Compared to the original version, it now also blocks messages even if the blocked JID is already joined to the MUC when they are added to the RTBL
MattJ
(thanks to jonas’ for implementing this)
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Nice! Thanks jonas’
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yw! :)
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riau.sni
Does snikket server have/implement mod_muc_rtbl , MattJ ?
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I think ejabberd does not
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riau.sni, it does not
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riau.sni, no, generally Snikket isn't made with hosting public channels as a primary use-case
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Not saying we'd never add it, but it's not on the priority list - properly hosting and managing public channels requires some effort (for example, I consider the apps currently inadequate for this)
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To people suggesting blocking IP. I live in a country where I just have to press a button in the router to get a new IP.
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So you're saying we should block your country? ;)
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MattJ: I think that is a fine solution to the problem!
Menel
That's the fediverse approach. And without hetzner it would be a small ecosystem 😉
I was wondering if the block list module would be useful for small servers to reduce the chances of direct messages from hostile entities? Or is it mostly intended to keep them out of public mucs?
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diane: depends on threat model :)
You as a person need to advertise your address somehow, when you join a public channel it's not you that's the target.
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Considering the carders sent me spam I don't think my JID was that hard to guess
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Common username?
Licaon_Kter
Popular server?
moparisthebest
Blocking IP is impossible, the MUC server doesn't have their IP
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moparisthebest: you're behind the discussion? :)
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Always
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He's behind in the discussion
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The Illuminati are behind it
moparisthebest
If you all wouldn't wake up so early I wouldn't have to respond to hours old messages
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ernst.on.tour
You are living in the wrong timezone, only UTC is the right one 😅
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Anything but Eastern Time
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Licaon_Kter, definitely not a popular server, but was the same as my public email address
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moparisthebest [16:52]:
> Blocking IP is impossible, the MUC server doesn't have their IP
mod_muc_ban_ip would like a word with you 🙃
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Wouldn't that ban the users' source server most likely?
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No, just the user
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It's enforced by their server, not the MUC
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Ah okay so it has to be loaded on both servers and there has to be some sort of trust relationship I tale✎
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Ah okay so it has to be loaded on both servers and there has to be some sort of trust relationship I take ✏
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Says both
Then says not needed on muc server
I confuseh
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Yeah, only on the user server. The MUC just sends a normal ban.
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Ah, now I got it, user server
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i'm antisocial and only in 1 other public muc, so i missed the spam wave
smooth_op
was there any logic to it?
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i can't tell because it looks like mam got cleaned up in the other muc i'm in
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smooth_op: some sort of shock porn for no reason, then racist spam+porn because they got banned elsewhere...
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i don't have open reg or public mucs, but if i did, is there a site that has guidance or best practices for operators?
smooth_op
such as knowing what moderation tools are available and such? e.g., this muc is the first time i'm learning about some prosody modules
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Sadly it's not even a good troll, just saying bad words until they are banned now
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smooth_op: prosody has such a prosody specific site.
https://github.com/JabberSPAM/resources
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Menel: There is also the collection which is not prosody specific: https://github.com/JabberSPAM/resources/blob/master/collection-of-server-modules.md
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Menel, Martin: thanks. seems this pr needs some love: https://github.com/JabberSPAM/resources/pull/9
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You can also use Martins list directly 🙂
https://mdosch.de/xmpp-blocklist.txt
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Not sure if you should just use others personal blocklists.
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Just block everything! No more spam, ever.
Martin
Disable s2s and close registration. 🙂
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I thought you put it in the open to be used, the names look ban worthy at least
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Rtbl is also kind of other people's list
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I put it up to document which servers I block. Other people can decide to follow it, but it's still my personal blocklist without any documented inclusion criteria etc.