XMPP Service Operators - 2023-03-10

Sorry for those who already know my question from the German MuC. But the question is just bothering me and I would like to hear opinions. So, if the topic here in this MUC is not yet annoying everyone: What influence do the chat control laws have on XMPP? As an admin of a prosody server with OMEMO, will I be liable to prosecution in the future in Britain if the bill is signed?

https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/3137

C3PO: do you live in the UK

Also your prosody server doesn't "have OMEMO", that's a client feature out of your control

> C3PO: do you live in the UK Good question. No. But I wanted to avoid discussions about the possibility of such bills in Germany. Hence I asked about UK. Because they have a bill in the pipeline ...

> Also your prosody server doesn't "have OMEMO", that's a client feature out of your control Sure. But still I am running a server for communication that cannot be read by me and the government. I think that is the use case which the bill aims at.

No matter if client or server feature.

I mean, if the argument about "client feature, not server" counted, then Signal and WhatsApp would have used it, right?

C3PO: they control both though, you don't

The only thing you can count on is the bills will aim at the centralized services and ignore things like XMPP, one recently would have made email illegal iirc

So if the govt wants to go after you they will

C3PO, I might suggest internationally based randos are not sufficiently knowledgable about german/EU law to give useful answers. I'd suspect there's civil society activist groups pushing against these laws, kind of like the EFF in the US, and some of those groups probably have a better idea of the actual risks.

Though sure we should all be tryin to support our local groups and also work on trying to provide help & resources to whoever's privacy is currently getting attacked.

> C3PO: they control both though, you don't Well. Still, they could make their client open source like Threema did. Obviously Signal and WhatsApp do not see that option to stay in the UK ... 🧐

Thanks for your point of view!

diane: Just assume, that I am a British citizen. 🤓

Because for me, chat comtrol seems to a target by many countries these days. Not only UK.

chat control the eu one? has that even passed?

but yeah i agree that it doesnt affect small providers obviously

also I am wondering if the law will even pass in the uk

wouldn't hurt to encourage people to lobby against it

true

absolutely!

> chat control the eu one? has that even passed? Not that I'd know of. Not yet ... But if the Brits succeed with their bill, the other legislations will follow. At least that is my fear. 🥴 And yes, resistance is needed. 💪

Hi there, what's the state of the art in terms of bridging with matrix? Does that require an account on the matrix side or is it federating identity as well?

I am using the matrix bifrost bridge and it's using my xmpp identity.

the public one hosted by matrix doesn't handle offline messages, but someone invited me to a better one asssociated they called "aria-net"

also i think some XMPP mucs got attacked by someone coming from matrix via one of the bridges.

Typescript and yarn, ootch. Let's see how far that takes me ✏

right there

Probably not very far, then 🙂

Maranda: Some I don't get, isn't it meant to run against a matrix server?

> This file should be accessible by your homeserver, which will use this file to get the correct url and tokens to push events to.

rom1dep: the appservice registration file? Yes it has to be accessible by the HomeServer

Maranda: I operate an XMPP server, not a matrix one. Doesn't that rule out bifrost for me?

If you don't want to run a Matrix HomeServer to pair Bifrost with, I suppose so. It's an AppService and Matrix Bridge it won't work without a HS.

and also it doesn't work without a XMPP Server to run on as a component.

the rumors about matrixes home server memory requirements is why I'm depending on someone elses gateways.

More than a rumor it's an established fact.

I can't afford running a HS. Is there an alternative which wouldn't require one?

the solution i used is "use someone elses matrix gateway"

but mostly i'm just trying to view a couple of public matrix channels

Kind of defeats the point of federation.. 🙂 But so has Matrix anyway

May as well just log into matrix.org

well. the win for me is that the matrix web client i was using seems to make my firefox crash / hang. So this way everything is just accessed via dino

Does anybody know how to make multilinguage documents that only show to element containing the u ser's language preference on xhtml? I know XMPP has multilingual stanzas that do that but i'm at a loss for xhtml