XMPP Service Operators - 2023-03-29

party@conversations.im for rtbl please

Harper: same kind of spamming from that JID as the others?

yes, spamming the same muc and youtube links and bonus profane pfp

openim.de seems to be down ?

Roi, ^

I believe a migration is happening today

Ah, okay

MattJ, ernst.on.tour, Yes, Import to database is in progress. Lots of archive2 data...

But everything else is already set. Also the domain has already been transferred.

Roi: > (This host does not serve openim.de)

Yeah. Not activated, yet. Data is still importing...

There was no announcement and hot-chilli is alive, thought about big problems 😉

No, the idea was spontaneous. The old admin wanted to shut down everything. Then we thought otherwise.

Give the import some time, sorry. It looks like a lot of MAM stuff was horded there. I believe that a lot of this stuff won't survive the first housekeeping here. ;-)

Ah, openim was not part of hot-chilli.net before. I thought hot-chilli is doing some server migration. ✏

Nope. openim.de was the same admin as jabber.de

Ah, I see. I just saw a few days ago that jabber.de was moved to a team in poland.

Jepp

Interesting: This means: The admin of OpenIM.de and jabber.de does not want to host anymore. Jabber.de moved to someone in Poland and OpenIM went to hot-chilli. In such a case: Are the users informed that there account is moved to another admin?

If the operators inform them, yes

If not, how would anyone know?

pep., ^ something for the "manifesto"? ^

I can only speak for the openim.de domain. I decided to not inform the users. If someone is not happy, he/she can delete the account with all data from the new server. And the old server will be wiped according to the old admin.

As this is a free service I cannot provide a personal service for deleting users who are not happy BEFORE the transfer. As simple as it is...

I'd think the old server admin should inform the users before handing the service over to someone else.

I would think it is less about deleting something _for_ a user, but more to inform them at all with a message, so they can make an informed decision.

I would guess it is primarily the old admins duty, best some in advance ✏

MattJ, yeah certainly. Would be good to add

why not just start fresh?

why give away a user base like that?

For openim.de the termination of the service was planned (which was also on the website for weeks), than another decision was made. In principle you are right, would have been the better way, yes.

Users are lazy and want their rooms and history Harper.

Harper, less disruption for users. And less of a security risk. For example, what if someone re-registers your account before you do? Then all your contacts think they are you.

The fediverse has some guidelines and ideas for this, at least there is a bunch of servers that promise to adhere to some rules there. It is required to be listed on some register lists there

I would not be surprised if not informing users beforehand is a GDPR violation.

good point

I guess most servers violate that anyway 🙂

I dont see how

> I would not be surprised if not informing users beforehand is a GDPR violation. I also think so. I think the best way is: The old admin should always inform the users what will change. The users can "opt in" to migrate. All accounts which do not answer should be deleted before migrating.

p42ity: maybe all accounts that the users *did not delete* should be migrated

Once informed they are free to choose.

Lack of action is an option.

Licaon_Kter: I get your point. It is much more comfortable and more unrisky to unexpected behaviour. But I am not quite sure, if this is an appropriate way. But: Both ways are much better that just switching to another admin.

yeah it should be opt in not opt out

also an opt out scheme would be also incompatible with gdpr

Is someone buys some company where I've an account, they generally don't use opt in?

opt out seems to work for companies, so I assume it's legal-ish or nobody cares enough if they're informed.

handing over user data without even informing is ... probably not a good idea

yeah. just because companies do it and nobody has been fined doesnt mean its legal

or is ethical/right for that matter

If there are good ethic, there's no need for laws. And therefore, how much laws will be enforced on us rather than acting out of our own will is entirely depends on us 😊

msavoritias, indeed