XMPP Service Operators - 2023-05-09

Where is the best website you sharing your public server addresses?

☭Mike Yellow: your website and keyoxide and fedi account and etc

> ☭Mike Yellow: your website and keyoxide and fedi account and etc I do not understand...

☭Mike Yellow: which part?

providers.xmpp.net might be a good place

I want a or some http link(s) to find public XMPP servers. What already in our manual are: https://providers.xmpp.net/ https://xmpp-servers.404.city/ https://list.jabber.at/ https://compliance.conversations.im/old/ https://xmpp.love/ https://jabberworld.info/servers/

that's... a lot

Lists of lists are yummy! \o/

didn't know the last two

oh, does joinjabber have one?

hmmm kinda: https://joinjabber.org/docs/servers/

> that's... a lot > Lists of lists are yummy! \o/ ……

Fxxk buggy Gajim! Tried to send this message for three times, everytime it stucked.

Oh. I am the “☭Mike Yellow”.

> that's... a lot Yeah. That is a lot. But it is still not easy to find some servers which registration supports in-band and has only simple CAPTCHA.

☭Mike Yellow: try https://providers.xmpp.net/overview/ and sort by "Registration"

> ☭Mike Yellow: try https://providers.xmpp.net/overview/ and sort by "Registration" Thank you. I did not notice that page.

☭Mike Yellow: >> that's... a lot > Yeah. That is a lot. But it is still not easy to find some servers which registration supports in-band and has only simple CAPTCHA. And (german): https://www.freie-messenger.de/en/sys_xmpp/server/#empfehlenswerte-server

☭Mike Yellow: share server address, ah, got it backwards :))

> ☭Mike Yellow: > >> that's... a lot > > Yeah. That is a lot. But it is still not easy to find some servers which registration supports in-band and has only simple CAPTCHA. > And (german): > https://www.freie-messenger.de/en/sys_xmpp/server/#empfehlenswerte-server Oh good! Thank you very much!

Machine translation: I feel like there are still those server addresses going around. It seems that XMPP doesn't have many mainstream public servers (maybe there are many domain names). Anyway, they can basically connect normally in China.

☭Mike Yellow: Each server could be a xmpp-server, each port could be used for client-connect. With sslh it is possible to share 443 between https and xmpp. They have to do a deep-package-inspection to differ between normal https and xmpp-traffic. The "normal" will get a connect but if they point on you, they will dpi-check every connection your device will initiate. They "cannot" decrypt your omemo-session, but maybe they just need your meta-data to visit you at home.

ernst.on.tour, You are an expert! 😄️

No

But I've got some users on travel to china and they report me.

Though I did not clearly understand what you said, I think you were not telling me about a big problem.

☭Mike Yellow: https://compliance.conversations.im/old has what 1000? More? With 250 or so, with 90% or more features? How many are also public? ✏

really? they pay you a visit for using xmpp?

https://www.freie-messenger.de/grafiken/xmpp-server.png Is that all satellites? Do they belong to several servers or every domain name is a server?

Trung: think they said "report to me" :))

> ☭Mike Yellow: https://compliance.conversations.im/old has what 1000? More? With 250 or so, with 90% or more features? How many are also public? I do not understand your meaning...... ✏

I mean, there are many servers, but having them public has certain issues...

Hardware size, maintenance, power, time to moderate, etc.

> I mean, there are many servers, but having them public has certain issues... > Hardware size, maintenance, power, time to moderate, etc. Yeah. Should I suggest readers “do not select a server randomly here?”

In an ideal world there'd be 0 public servers because everyone would run their own or be on one ran by friends/family/community

Hopefully one day we'll get there :)

But IPv6....

> In an ideal world there'd be 0 public servers because everyone would run their own or be on one ran by friends/family/community > Hopefully one day we'll get there :) We socialists are making effort to achieve such a world. ✏

what about a invite only public service?

riseup has closed lol

think ab it like this, you can run a public service, but only allow so many people to signup and the more signups you get the more hardware resources you allocate

riseup and disroot are closed

thats why i made my own

> https://www.freie-messenger.de/grafiken/xmpp-server.png > Is that all satellites? Do they belong to several servers or every domain name is a server? every circle is its own server, with some exceptions (some people administrate multiple domain names)

like snikket

> > https://www.freie-messenger.de/grafiken/xmpp-server.png > > Is that all satellites? Do they belong to several servers or every domain name is a server? > every circle is its own server, with some exceptions (some people administrate multiple domain names) Thanks.

> really? they pay you a visit for using xmpp? That wasn't said by me, I said: > ... but maybe they just need your meta-data to visit you at home. Person A is a persona-non-grata and your meta-data shows that you are using the same server, ergo you could know him.

… under investigation of high profile wanted criminal for sure that case would happen in any country i would imagine not just China

:s/would/could/

For sure, that could happens in every country. China was named by Mike and my users were travelling to china and were reported that the connection was doing well. I want to make clear, this is not a criminal-chat-protocol with garanty they never caught you.

> riseup has closed lol What? Do you habe a link?

Sox: search for "riseup xmpp shutdown" back in 2021 or so

oh I thought it was also about their e-mail services

Where are we posting Sox ? :))

indeed, my bad

nah riseup email is bad lmao

evilmail > riseup

> evilmail the fbi.support is specially good

always better to selfhost

yeah we stole it LMAO