XMPP Service Operators - 2023-05-31

please don't do that. it defeats the whole purpose of xmpp

if your going to do that, you might as well just use some proprietary walled garden that nobody can create an account on

I think that his point, to control and lock down the MUC

Typical Marxist-Leninist tactics

Easier to deal with counter-revolutionaires /s

nuegia.net, what is the purpose of XMPP at the beginning or now?

agh, Yes. But by the way, whatever what we believe, all political communication and movement needs that.

It's a huge problem when especially new users get on XMPP and nobody can actually talk to them because their server broke federation without already being in a roster

404.city did this in the past

nuegia.net, I do not host a server. I am just an advanced user who taking some other new users come to XMPP.

XMPP is a neutral communication tool that gives you the freedom to do whatever you want as long as you agree to the license of the software and services you are using.

do whatever you want 😊 no one is to judge

> nuegia.net, I do not host a server. I am just an advanced user who taking some other new users come to XMPP. I do not think some users trying XEP-0016 will damage the XMPP world environment.

oh that, I thought you were talking about dropping messages to users who aren't in a roster

nuegia.net, you can not expect XMPP become popular in “normal” users without politics power, can you?

just keep in mind that unless you have a disclaimer, users who are new to XMPP get a impactful first impression of XMPP as a whole the first server their on, and if that server is partially broken they end up think XMPP as a whole is like that.

egh

nuegia.net, We have a comprehensive XMPP user manual for Chinese.

*thumbs up emoji*

> oh that, I thought you were talking about dropping messages to users who aren't in a roster Spam? We do not like doing that. It is tiring and meaningless. ✏

Hope we will have the “Hats” function（XEP-0317） achieved to show what roles we are. Server host or user.

So the “XEP-0016” is “Deprecated” because spam servers would take advantage of it, I guess?

It's deprecated because it's too complex and confusing, and how it interacted with various parts of XMPP was never properly settled and it was very easy for people to accidentally break stuff (you found this out for yourself). All most people want and need is a way to block people. Ideally anything else they want/need should be the default behaviour or easily configurable.

Understandable. Just do not make it obsolete.

We would still recommend it to advanced users.

> I think that his point, to control and lock down the MUC > > Typical Marxist-Leninist tactics Typical

please move Marxist-Leninist, Capital Uncle Sam and all sort of Royal Family where they belong: xmpp:conversations-offtopic-reloaded@conference.trashserver.net?join

……

lartist meninist

oh you want spam war? lets go !

Trung: I don't see any offtopic here other than you and Tris, and maybe Mike going off the rails a bit.

and myself.

I don't see any spam at all.

thanks. Very happy to be on the list.

I think Trung was being appropriately preemptive