XMPP Service Operators - 2023-06-01

is there any place where ideas are discussed or recorded in an effort to have sane settings on xmpp servers?

something like recommended settings

I think that's here

tee, this is that place

no, your not allowed to discuss sane server settings here

only insane and totally broken settings will be allowed

this is how we operate

sounds good

I was thinking that there should be something similar to XEP's but less obligatory

like guidelines for making XMPP a good experience

I don't know how often this is possible

we have the compliance suites

https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0479.html

its guidelines to have a consistent experience for people using xmpp

for servers and app devs

and example is c2s_timeout and whatever the equivalent is in ejabberd

the first thing you do when you start with xmpp is create an account

conversations.im has a connection timeout of 30 seconds

you basically have to race to complete it

it's so bad and unnecessary (afaict) that it seems like deliberate trolling

I wonder if they have logs that they would share to calculate what percentage of account creation attempts timeout on their server

and short timeout setting like this are common

the current default in prosody for c2s_timeout on prosody is 300 seconds which is probably acceptable but could be longer

so, is there some justification for these short times?

and does anyone know what the equivalent setting is for ejabberd?

Just everyone copy prosody defaults and be done 😜

I don't think more then 5 min is nessesary

Prosody is an african word that means "I don't know how to configure my ejabberd"

> Prosody is an african word that means "I don't know how to configure my ejabberd" Hahahahahahaha……

> Just everyone copy prosody defaults and be done 😜 hmmm that's boring. step1: `git clone https://git.kernel.org/`

> only insane and totally broken settings will be allowed You forgot cert expiration announcements :) ↺

piration

> Prosody is an african word that means "I don't know how to configure my ejabberd" Although I'd argue you can setup a more complex server using prosody than ejabberd. So by default prosody might be easier than ejabberd but if you want to create a complex setup, prosody offers more and is therefore harder to setup.

Indeed. The Prosody website says "minutes", but I decided to build my config from the ground up based on the current compliance suites, so it took a few hours. About a week and around a dozen community modules later, I had things fully dialed in.

Use ejabberd.yml.example and start server, what week? :) /jk

That's how I started my server

"about a week" sounds fair for prosody once you get involved in its module hell

starting 2 days ago my server is officially too cool for the US

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I have bad news: you'll never stop tweaking it

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jabber.org switched to prosody like months ago and they still haven't set up all the modules yet (never will?)

> I have bad news: you'll never stop tweaking it 🥺

If you are talking speed from nothing to well configured XMPP server I think Snikket has to be the winner

Gotta be

ben [20:25]: > jabber.org switched to prosody like months ago and they still haven't set up all the modules yet (never will?) This is nothing to do with the ease/difficulty of configuring Prosody. We have a clear list of what we plan to do, but we're currently stuck on an old Prosody version for... complex reasons. We're working on transitioning to another server (which will be easier than the last migration), but what little time we have has been taken up by the crash and recovery of an XSF server.

Oh no

I'd be interested in a blog post on the challenges of migrating and updating jabber.org once it's all done. I'm guessing it's somewhat unusual circumstances

openssl 3.0.9 is in fedora updates-testing sudo dnf update --enablerepo=*updates-testing openssl*

> I have bad news: you'll never stop tweaking it That's true for ANYTHING IT related.

!version jabber.org

ooh

custom trunk

hey, if i want to give someone my jid contact but they don't care about learn what xmpp is or details, can I just point them to snikket.org and give them my jid? Would that work? Is snikket up and running yet?

last news i hard about snikket was it was just an idea with a website under construction

nuegia.net: no, they need an account and a client

It was an idea, it's a working thing for a while now...