XMPP Service Operators - 2023-07-31

I have some problems to delete old muc's. I as the owner remove everyuse user, then I destroy the muc...after a few days or hours the muc reapears with some member as owner, how to fix that? Running metronome on yunohost here

ask metronome support for something like tombstoning MUCs

What a CLASSIC question!

(prosody has that)

Sox, if you cannot have "tombstoning", the best you can do is to remove everyone, set the MUC to members-only.

By default, the joining operation will create a room if the room does not exist. ✏

So, they tried to join a room which is not exist, then it happens.

You should have told occupants that this room is going to be abandoned, then wait for somedays before destroying it.

> You should have told occupants that this room is going to be abandoned, then wait for somedays before destroying it. I did that, and remove them forcilly ✏

> Sox, if you cannot have "tombstoning", the best you can do is to remove everyone, set the MUC to members-only. I will look for it, thanks

The room is likely successfully destroyed. However, when someone re-joins the (now deleted) room, it gets automatically recreated by the client that is joining.

What does “forcilly” mean in English?

"with force"

assuming that it is a typo of "forcefully"

No, the word is "forcibly"

> No, the word is "forcibly" Thank you.

forcefully also works

(listen to him, he's a native speaker)

I think it's ban or kick out the options I have, in english

i tried both, same results ✏

yeah, the information goes away on metronome (I guess) once you destroy the MUC

Sox: Maybe your server software does not support "prevent the room to be recreated". I know that the server software that I maintain, Openfire, does not support that.

that's what I meant by tombstoning

I see

> that's what I meant by tombstoning how do you make that action? I am using gajim, can i see if I have it from gajim?

> > You should have told occupants that this room is going to be abandoned, then wait for somedays before destroying it. > I did that, and remove them forcilly Then the problem now is not related with you. Anyone on the same MUC server is allowed to create a new room. Except with the function module. The problem may be the occupants are XMPP newbies.

Sox, the server should do it automatically when you destroy the MUC

it's not a user choice

> > > You should have told occupants that this room is going to be abandoned, then wait for somedays before destroying it. > > I did that, and remove them forcilly > The problem may be the occupants are XMPP newbies. that's for sure

I don't think it is related to anyone being new to XMPP

no, this is not a user problem ✏

Clients and servers will conspire to do this automatically by default

So... What do you think, it is not a problem at all?

Unless every user takes action to remove every trace of the room from their client, which is unlikely to happen in any room with more than 2 people in it

Whether the room being recreated is a problem really depends on a number of things. At one level it's entirely logical. You delete a room so that it no longer exists. You also allow people to create rooms. Why should they not be allowed to create a room that previously existed?

Yeah. Sure. They are free to do. If it is not a newbie problem, I think it has no more problems.

maybe I should turn off the option to users to create new muc's

Nevermind.

That will prevent them from even creating private group chats, I imagine

Which could lead to a frustrating experience

I'm not familiar with what MUC service configuration options Metronome has, but it's worth looking into

Is this a problem for many rooms, or is it just one or two? Maybe you can manually create a members-only room that matches the name of the deleted room, and "prevent" users from joining it that way?

It's an ugly hack, but may offer a workaround.

I will wait for the answer of the developer of metronome here: xmpp:grimoire@muc.metronome.im?join

> That will prevent them from even creating private group chats, I imagine no, for my use I really want to prevent users creating muc's and leave it only to me...must check how to do it.

We tell newbies to do as the following in the manual: Give a notification that this room is going to be abandoned; After some days, lock the door; After some days, hide online status of all roles, and set the room name as “abandoned”; After some days, destroy the room, or just leave it, the room would be destroyed automatically after years.

Setting the room to not persistent is also a choice, but a server down will destroy it immediately.

> After some days, hide online status of all roles, and set the room name as “abandoned”; Also set as moderated and remove all members except yourself.

ok

I was looking into the config file and found this:

---Set up a PubSub server Component "pubsub.mydomain" "pubsub" name = "mydomain Publish/Subscribe" unrestricted_node_creation = true -- Anyone can create a PubSub node (from any server) ✏

if I change "unrestricted_node_creation = false" what changes, something related to the mucs?

No, nothing you pasted is related to MUCs

That's about the pubsub service

then the only thing relaed to mucs is this:

---Set up a MUC (multi-user chat) room server Component "mydomain" "muc" name = "mydomain Chatrooms" modules_enabled = { "muc_limits"; "muc_log"; "muc_log_mam"; "muc_log_http"; "muc_vcard"; } muc_event_rate = 0.5 muc_burst_factor = 10 room_default_config = { logging = true, persistent = true };

> We tell newbies to do as the following in the manual: > Give a notification that this room is going to be abandoned; > After some days, lock the door; > After some days, hide online status of all roles, and set the room name as “abandoned”; > After some days, destroy the room, or just leave it, the room would be destroyed automatically after years. done, all those things..let's wait and see

啊哈哈哈哈

闲云潭影, English please...

OKOK

> 闲云潭影, English please... communism！

wow

i am also a communism who was from China

You are using the Revolution Messenger, no need to say more.

what nationality of you？

Let chat in occupant private message. 咱们室内私聊说吧。 Long-press my avatar to send me private message in room. 长按我的头像来发送室内私信。

sorry i cant

我不能发送私密信息

Oh, sorry. I forgot that.

我加你

militiaman@suchat.org

is somebody changing the module blocking private message for this room in the back? i'm getting private messages that are actually public

You get messages someone intended for the public in this room as private messages? I can't even send it

These are PM (Public Messages).

We did not use PM (Private Messages) because this room not allow.

Might be my client's bug then sory.

I should update lol

……

☭Mike Yellow: can you take your buddies to Offtopic or smth?

Why? My organization does not support to bother foreign-language-speakers.

It does not support to send comrades to conservatives too.

Also, this comrade can not speak English well.

They has found a room for them. I just tell them not to bother here.

> They has found a room for them. I just tell them not to bother here. thank you ☭Mike Yellow. Don't worry abt it.

In the early stages of promoting XMPP, I can help you guide these Chinese speakers to move to the right place. But in the middle and later stages, I would not be able to.

I'll just say the usual _"engrish only pls"_ :)

Try to deal with these Chinese newbies by yourself in the future. Or English rooms would be invaded by many Chinese characters.

Licaon_Kter: sorry, can you take your buddy to Offtopic or smth?

😊

👍

<3

> Licaon_Kter: sorry, can you take your buddy to Offtopic or smth? You mean me? I do not like that place much...

I think Pidgin had a translator plugin. Though, it's probably just as neglected as the XMPP side of Pidgin

OK，i will use english

hahahaha see he can speak Enlish fine

Oh...My...Marx...

This room isn't a normal onboarding room anyway. At the time there are more Chinese users, I bet they will create their own room for that, like maybe a joinjabber room

闲云潭影: this chat hall is operators@muc.xmpp.org which is for XMPP service operators. If there are problems on the network this is where i would go and try to resolve it. You are very welcome to stay, just make sure you stay on topic because your message can annoy people ok?

Sox: did u solve your issue MUC's issue? ... the way I've solved it was banning all users and and setting members only, as aditional measure I added a long pass, don't know metronome, but ejabberd latest version handles correctly room's deletion and even let's you setup a message to redurect users to other rooms ✏

just for the record, ejabberd's ACLs are a very good tool to handle MUC permissions

> Sox: did u solve your issue MUC's issue? ... the way I've solved it was banning all users and and setting members only, as aditional measure I added a long pass, don't know metronome, but ejabberd latest version handles correctly room's deletion and even let's you setup a message to redurect users to other rooms Not yet, I forgot to set a password. I'll do it

Menel, Check “conference.conversations.im”, there are already some Chinese rooms. But I can not stop them to bother other rooms, no matter whether they find their rooms or not.

I've seen https://search.jabber.network/search?q=Chin&f=y&sinaddr=on&sindescr=on&sinname=on but I don't know what room to recommend

…… No need to recommed, I hope you mates be a little rude to them. You can not welcome them one by one in the future, or you would be exhausted.

Just ban them if they can not speak English well or bothering you.

I can not help you mates if the coming Chinese is a conservative. We do not welcome conservatives to speak in our rooms.