XMPP Service Operators - 2023-08-13

Are there any public xmpp servers available with a rest api / http endpoint?

That offers what on rest?

Licaon_Kter: A way to use xmpp over http (like mod_rest in Prosody) https://modules.prosody.im/mod_rest

dora71: ah like https://github.com/processone/ejabberd-contrib/tree/master/mod_rest

Licaon_Kter: It would be enough just to send a "normal" message over the http interface, no need to execute commands.

I don't think there's are public federating severs with that open for just people. But we have many with websockets and bosh ✏

> jabber.wirtschaftstools.de > gfaclan.de > chat.krownunity.com > ussr.im ☭Mike Yellow: do s2s connections work for you using openfire public servers? I tried the first three and couldn't join a channel on another server

>I tried the first three and couldn't join a channel on another server Yes. I have gave up looking for an good public server hosted by Openfire. We would like to directly tell users that the usable public servers you can find are almost only Ejabberd and Prosody. >do s2s connections work for you using openfire public servers? No.

I gave up. I did not create a new room by Openfire or Tigase.

Menel: I know about websockets and bosh. Problem is implementation in other software. http/curl/ etc. is widely integrated in software so it would be nice to use it.

We just need to make go-sendxmpp as popular as curl, then it is the same 🙂

no, add xmpp support to curl instead :)

given that curl even supports MQTT, I don't see why XMPP shouldn't be added :)

:))

wait why doesnt it support it actually? It even is getting support for gemini /thinking

nobody did it yet

☭Mike Yellow: I just tested sure.im (tigase server) and it works fine. I can join channels on other servers. Creating rooms also works.

Yes. But weird things happened on me. It is very slow when adjusting affiliations.

By the way, how does yax.im allow users of other servers to create channels on it?

> Yes. But weird things happened on me. It is very slow when adjusting affiliations. And I wonder why I have no permission to make room public searchable on it.

> By the way, how does yax.im allow users of other servers to create channels on it? apparently by setting restrict_room_creation to false (prosody muc component)

Was that a tech question or a server admin burden one?

none, I was just curious.

Because yax.im is the only server that I know of that allows other servers to create channels on it

> apparently by setting restrict_room_creation to false (prosody muc component) It turns out this is the default for prosody servers

☭Mike Yellow: duh

Generally, room owners who belong to other user servers can not make room public searchable, so it does not matter much if an MUC server allows several trusted other servers to create rooms on it, I guess. When I think of this, I realized that I have no that permission on sure.im may because I was using a user that does not belong to it to change room configurations. 😅️ ✏

> Menel: > 2023-08-13 10:30 (GMT+02:00) > We just need to make go-sendxmpp as popular as curl, then it is the same 🙂 I wish it was that easy ... I wouldn't mind ... how about e. g. php implementations of curl ... wouldn't be that easy with go-sendxmpp right?

so，What is the differences of the xmpp and conversations

so，What is the differences of the xmpp and conversations

闲云潭影: what?

XMPP Protocol vs Conversations the XMPP client?

闲云潭影: https://xmpp.org/about/technology-overview/ and more pages there on Clients and Servers and Specifications?

Didn't you read ☭Mike Yellow 's guide or something?

Annoying. No organization or discipline. No frequent online.

Apparently they do not take it seriously to study XMPP.

And coward! Ask here instead of asking lots of comrades who speak same language!?

Never mind it... ✏

I didn't seek 'comrades' either If you can English, read original sources :)

About some public servers with an English room in bookmarks by default, I wonder how can they have patience saying “English please” again and again. ✏

it's not that hard

my public chat room is english language and nobody ever tried using another language even once

except myself lol

we can say perhaps 99% of XMPP users know English

☭Mike Yellow: we cope, lol, jokes aside, it's not a "problem"

OK. My main mission finished. Our manual has both EPUB and PDF now, comprehensive, no any other XMPP manual better than it. I may reduce traveling around among English rooms because I have no many more questions. I will pay more attention to do some other things. Whatever those scattered Chinese users will or not read English for weeks because they do not know there is a Chinese manual.

> we can say perhaps 99% of XMPP users know English Then I have a thing that I want to complain. Why there is no a comprehensive XMPP user manual in English? So we could directly translate it into Chinese without creating a new one.

☭Mike Yellow: _nobody reads_

………………

It looks like 99% of XMPP users came to this platform due to interests or commercial business but not missions. ✏

> ☭Mike Yellow: _nobody reads_ This answer and reality is scary. ✏

I heard there was an attempt to get XMPP into curl in the early 2ks

It's just a matter of anyone actually doing it, the curl project is great for accepting contributions and helping new folks

What is “curl”?

☭Mike Yellow: https://curl.se

Thanks.

> It looks like 99% of XMPP users came to this platform due to interests or commercial business but not missions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUhPWCcJ0uU ✏ ↺