XMPP Service Operators - 2023-09-10

Vcard for the win

Well, what normal user can reach for the win Id say

Establishing a secure connection from lebihan.pl to linuxoid.in failed. Certificate hash: 539d03366575905c3259653b8e846e9ec5c787a38d458fad1f4211a717dbc4c0. This certificate is invalid for linuxoid.in.

jabber.de down

is jabber.de using cron to schedule daily server crashes?

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Looks so. Its mostly at lately afternoon

I recently added some monitoring for jabber.de to uptimerobot and it doesn't look good: https://stats.uptimerobot.com/3q72nS7RoP

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> 👍 Not really…

In the words of a jabber.de user: " I have lost pretty much everything that had to do with this jid"

Why? You can't use the service while it's offline but nothing should be lost.

Martin, the roster could get killed in a server-side data loss and clients will happily purge their local roster when they connect the next time.

(similarly for bookmarks)

I was not aware of server data loss. I only knew it's often offline these days.

fun

maybe slight ot, but what do you all use for backing drives? hard drive? ssd? any sort of raid or zfs?

jonas’, shouldn't servers/clients maintain a backup roster/bookmarks? and maybe prompt if there are major differences on connect/sync?

/ on my server is double nvmes in btrfs raid1, that's for uptime when one dies, backups send btrfs snapshots nightly to a btrfs raid1 array at another house

> Why? You can't use the service while it's offline but nothing should be lost. Perhaps he means that all his friends he could convince to give xmpp a try are pissed of and deleted the app

isn't btrfs raid1 bad for that though? it won't mount on reboot unless degraded is in mount args and you can't easily keep the non-btrfs efi partitions in sync between drives

It is similar for me. All friends of mine who tried xmpp have jabber.de JIDs. I don't think that they will give it a second try.

Ugh, that's indeed bad.

I boot with grub so I can easily edit the command to add degraded, this computer is bios and can't boot from nvme drives, /boot is unencrypted btrfs raid1 on 2 different sata drives

I only have my contacts either on my server or quicksy. :)

You can sync 2 different fat32 EFI partitions with rsync or similar though

> I only have my contacts either on my server or quicksy. :) Yes, host a server for all your friends/family is the way to go ↺

>> I only have my contacts either on my server or quicksy. :) > Yes, host a server for all your friends/family is the way to go I do ;) but they found jabber.de more fancy 😊

Yep and the ones who think everything "not whatsapp like" is too complicated are sent to quicksy.

Quicksy is still a spof and worse yet leaks their phone number of they join a public muc

> Quicksy is still a spof and worse yet leaks their phone number of they join a public muc Oh, good to know

They do not. They use quicksy like whatsapp for 1-1 or private groups. They probably don't know that public MUCs exist.

> Quicksy is still a spof and worse yet leaks their phone number of they join a public muc Which is still strictly better than WhatsApp/signal etc ↺

WhatsApp "leaks" the number too in any WhatsApp Chatroom, sooo...

(signal too)

True

I noticed that people are very sceptical to servers that are run by a single person. They prefer to register their account at a server which looks "more professional" (which jabber.de once did). They don't know that jabber.de is also a one man show (or was).

If you want to be sure that the server won't disappear you have to run it yourself, if you want it to be less probable to disappear you have to chosse a paid service, if you choose a free service someone on the internet operates it's always possible that it disappears over night.

_Eternal server september_

> Martin: > 2023-09-10 09:57 (GMT+02:00) > If you want to be sure that the server won't disappear you have to run it yourself, if you want it to be less probable to disappear you have to chosse a paid service, if you choose a free service someone on the internet operates it's always possible that it disappears over night. I fully share this point, as I calulated once that the cost of the jabber.de server are less than 1€/u/yr but it does not help right now and admins need to proactively call for donations which jabber.de barely did unforetunatly

Cost for resources/servers/bandwidth is basically never the problem (at least with XMPP (, it's the time it takes ✏

Cost for resources/servers/bandwidth is basically never the problem (at least with XMPP), it's the time it takes ✏

And not the tech side, imho, more the human one. For ejabberd at least, one could just read the upgrade notes and carry on.

Well, its at least not on the developers account

I'm chasing ejabberd/sslh/eturnal/biboumi edge so I can give feedback straight to the devs, but for a while the changes were uninteresting, maybe they're doing more bussinessy stuff or more matrix, whatever, and I suprised myself not checking the server daily or not tweaking the cogs. The damn thing just runs... hey, even cron updated the certs fine.

yea, been on ejabberd for ~three years now without having to really adjust anything except for blocklists

No it's very easy and it all runs well, but inevitably hardware fails or something, and always at the worst possible time

Yup, ISP outage, power outage, me pressing the off button on the power cord, ISP switching to DSlite and making home hosting impossible. All sorts of issues, none xmpp related.

Oh look, my wifi offers only ipv6 on dhcp today so the server is unreachable... fun...