XMPP Service Operators - 2023-10-13

  1. admin

    sorry 2 say, I do too... :-)

  2. root

    > that goes by silently unless you read your cron mails, and who does that. Whats email? ↺

  3. fireburner

    What is reading?

  4. Lightning Bjornsson

    > kainan a écrit : > reminder that automatic updates are useless if you never reboot only true of the kernal

  5. Lightning Bjornsson

    > root a écrit : > Whats email? It's the thing that replaced physical letter mail for personal letters

  6. MSavoritias (fae,ve)

    sounds like a worse version of xmpp :P

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  7. root

    > sounds like a worse version of xmpp :P ☝️ ↺

  8. Lightning Bjornsson

    > MSavoritias (fae,ve) a écrit : > sounds like a worse version of xmpp :P yes, unlike XMPP it's store and forward and not nearly guaranteed to be nearly instant ✎

  9. bkil

    According to Delta.Chat benchmarks, most messages go through end to end within 1-10s

  10. Licaon_Kter

    Lightning Bjornsson: xmpp *is* store and forward, what do you mean?

  11. Lightning Bjornsson

    > MSavoritias (fae,ve) a écrit : > sounds like a worse version of xmpp :P yes, unlike XMPP it's [removed on direction of Licaon_Kter] not nearly guaranteed to be nearly instant ✏

  12. Lightning Bjornsson

    > bkil a écrit : > According to Delta.Chat benchmarks, most messages go through end to end within 1-10s Aye. Email is pretty quick nowadays.

  13. Lightning Bjornsson

    Licaon_Kter: fixed

  14. moparisthebest

    *well acksually* XMPP doesn't *have* to be store and forward, you can just read until the to and start streaming the rest, iirc someone said a server once worked like this

  15. jonas’

    cut-through switching :)

  16. Lightning Bjornsson

    email servers came of age in a time when some things closed down for the night

  17. bkil

    This guy has made an XMPP server in about 1k SLOC of C: https://rawsontetley.org/posts/inetdxtra/ https://github.com/bobintetley/inetdxtra

  18. bkil

    And indeed, a lot of chat rooms were closed outside working hours back then so that staff could moderate the group at all times.

  19. Lightning Bjornsson

    > bkil a écrit : > This guy has made an XMPP server in about 1k SLOC of C: https://rawsontetley.org/posts/inetdxtra/ https://github.com/bobintetley/inetdxtra qmail literally already existed by then, in.smtpd was not necessary

  20. Lightning Bjornsson

    and qmail is resident for *checks notes* 8 megabytes on the queue manager inc all components, and it'd probably be less if I was better about symbol hygiene. ✎

  21. Lightning Bjornsson

    and qmail is resident for *checks notes* 8 megabytes on the queue manager inc all components on my main mailserver, and it'd probably be less if I was better about symbol hygiene. ✏

  22. Lightning Bjornsson

    I'll shut up, sorry.

  23. bkil

    I was referring to `in.jabber`, but I think most of his servers are resident of a few kilobytes of memory, not megabytes. And also note that the way how `xinetd` works enables such servers to not be resident at all. This can be important if all the RAM you have at your disposal is 32MB such as in low end routers or age-appropriate SBC back then when he was working on it.

  24. Lightning Bjornsson

    ye