XMPP Service Operators - 2023-10-18

What happened? I lost all my chat rooms which I set auto-join as off in my bookmarks. carlos, something happened on suchat.org?

It's working for me

It looks like I lost all chatrooms, because others nickname has been reset.

ben, you are from suchat.org too?

No but I'm connected to it

Could be a nick conflict

☭Mike Yellow: lost means what? Not in your bookmarks anymore?

>Not in your bookmarks anymore? Yes.

Sounds like a server issue then, try to "save" all your bookmarks again in your client

I guess some rooms remained because one of my clients did not go offline manually. The client added some back immediately after they lost. ✏

Yeah. Not a big problem.

Now it works normally, they can be saved successfully. ✏

> carlos, something happened on suchat.org? ☭Mike Yellow: I am not the admin of suchat

Oh, sorry. Duplicate username with them.

carlos@suchat.org

Good question what he has here in this MUC for a nickname.

carlos_, hello.

Good morning, carlos_ ✏

Good afternoon.

Yes, changes were made, the XMPP server was updated, I'm going to check it.

Ah. Then nevermind. It is normal, I think. Thank you.

Anybody from jabber.de here? Seems the certificate is expired. Prosody Logfile: warn Forbidding insecure connection to/from conference.jabber.de because its certificate has expired ✏

That sounds bening given last months issues :))

eevvoor, Menel, Licaon_Kter, everyone affected, they unbanned our biboumi while we are trying to reach a solution. I can’t work on that right now, I’m at work atm.

I host my own so not affected, but thanks for the heads up

Link Mauve, cool :)

Damn, how is conversations.im abuse team so bad. I email them a suspicious JID associated with the spammer we have been suffering from, and they just reply with "this JID doesn't exists anymore."

They don't log user signups or something?

Squeaky Latex Folf: log what exactly from user signups?

IP address and such

And what to do with them? 95% of abuse comes from Tor exits, 5% from residential dynamic IP dialups

Well this spammer does use Tor exit nodes, except the spambots come from an OVH VPS

Squeaky Latex Folf, "have been" suffering from, or "are suffering from"? Conversations.im abuse handling is pretty good, and accounts are deleted quickly, so it's extremely possible that the account was gone by the time you reported it (or by the time the person who replied to your email looked at it)

Well I would've liked more details than "this JID doesn't exists anymore."

If they are denying that a JID that is actively spamming *right now* exists on their server, then obviously something is wrong

I've literally gotten more info from a Japanese XMPP provider whose admin spoke Japanese to me and I spoke English back and we used a translator to understand each other

Squeaky Latex Folf: are you expecting server admins to handle you the spammers IP and unencrypted chats or what exactly?

Is private message enabled here?

No

» [16:36:54] <Licaon_Kter> Squeaky Latex Folf: are you expecting server admins to handle you the spammers IP and unencrypted chats or what exactly? I'm not expecting it, but some help in that regard to track down the spammer is really useful

But I already know some IPs of the spammer now. In particular the EFF Tor exit node, and an OVH VPS

I did not get “sending failed” when I tried to PM someone. Oh, on Gajim. On Conversations I got it. ✏

Hello Squeaky Latex Folf, would you like to talk with me privately? My XMPP address is: militiaman@suchat.org

Squeaky Latex Folf, what kind of help? passing out the IP and stuff to random people would not be acceptable under GDPR.

also, did you ask for specific additional information in your initial request?

Well just saying the ISP responsible

e.g. EFF Tor exit node, or OVH

And how is one supposed to deal with spam and be compliant with GDPR?

Is every internet-facing service required to comply with GDPR?

Or are only businesses required to comply?

People handling with other users data are

i would be *very* worried if a server didnt want to comply with gdpr

any server that is

anyone who deals with user data from EU citizens in a non-household-activity-fashion needs to be GDPR compliant.

(that handles other people's data)

that does not just include businesses ✏

I guess with lots of non-commercial entities and individuals running internet services, no one really wants to deal with regulations and legal issues like that

Maybe IRC wasn't so bad, with IP as public info

Just kidding. Anonymity is a useful thing, but it makes locating the source of a spam attack a tad harder

Squeaky Latex Folf, I have an idea, but let us talk in private?

Wasn't private message disabled, supposedly?

Use normal private message instead private message in room.

Add me to contact: militiaman@suchat.org

Squeaky Latex Folf: spoilers ahead, idea is `16`

What do you mean?

/jk

What does that even mean?

What is a `16`?

And what does that have to do with an idea?

It's an attempt at a joke because Mike frequently states that XEP-0016 is a solution to most problems, but we requested to curtail those endless debates here. Which may be the reason for requesting a private chat instead.

DO NOT GUESS BLINDLY!!!

I did not want to get on this topic!

Thanks Licaon_Kter

I'm curious about this XEP-0016 discussion. Anyone got a log?

No pls

Or can you say when it happened?

Perhaps I already recorded it

Yeah I only have 1500 messages in my database

That's unfortunate

Squeaky Latex Folf, https://logs.xmpp.org/operators/2023-10-09#2023-10-09-2fcf077ca0dc3a36

and let that be the end of this discussion.

Oh your god...

That was the request to end the endless discussions, one of those discussions was https://logs.xmpp.org/operators/2023-09-22#2023-09-22-3ee6714381285ddf

That should answer any questions about opinions on both sides, so indeed we don't need to discuss it

🤣

Squeaky Latex Folf: notice that they did not post the same link :)

What about it?

> What about it? Ingore them, please.

MattJ, jonas’, I never thought that you remember history so long. Please forget about that and reduce about mentioning the long history I preform in these rooms.

>Please forget about that and reduce about mentioning the long history I preform in these rooms. Considering I am the first leader who promote XMPP for Chinese in recent years.

☭Mike Yellow, we just want to avoid this particular unproductive discussion.

> ☭Mike Yellow, we just want to avoid this particular unproductive discussion. The best doing is not to mention that, even when another one mentions, do not follow it. ✏

And better to retract/moderate it.

☭Mike Yellow, certainly, you'll notice that neither me nor MattJ mentioned it initially. It was Licaon_Kter, superfluously.

Licaon_Kter, oh your God!

Or you can just drop it now instead of carry it along ☭Mike Yellow?

I did try to urge developers to make XMPP softwares more suitable for serving political communications. But now I already know your opinions, I do not bother you again. I hope you can forget about unpleasant history and not mention me in that history again. Maybe someone day I do not want others know I am the leader of promoting XMPP in 2023.

> Or you can just drop it now instead of carry it along ☭Mike Yellow? >I did not want to get on this topic! I said.

☭Mike Yellow, it is not your fault that it started. It is your fault currently that it goes on.

Then stop talking about that. We make our own decisions now.

Licaon_Kter, do not mention that number, OK? It is an order! Make a promise!

☭Mike Yellow: I've made a joke, even signaled it, an *hour* ago, drop it already.

Can someone post a summary of this conflict? I scrolled back but can't even figure out what you are talking about

> Can someone post a summary of this conflict? I scrolled back but can't even figure out what you are talking about No!!!

I need in on the drama

XMPP drama news network

> ☭Mike Yellow, it is not your fault that it started. It is your fault currently that it goes on. Seriously, to tell the truth, it was doomed that currently it goes on when I join XMPP at the beginning. Because I come here not for simplely family communicating. And more severe, there may be more people (especially Chinese users) bothering you with spam topic. The only way to solve it is reducing XMPP users, especially the kind of users who know that shit. I can drive them away efficiently in one month, if you want.

☭Mike Yellow: there's a room for such topics related to adoption and such. This room is just for technical issues like federation and moderation that concerns the admins

ben, I am an advanced user, I do not think I need more help or suggestions. Thank you.

ben, oh, do you know a room which specially for foreigners of XMPP? Which people can comment about many protocols and platforms at will?

Yes let me look. I'm thinking of the rooms on joinjabber.org

No one is foreign on XMPP. We are one global family

No. My “foreigner” means... Internet users from others protocols and platforms, just like Visitors/tourists who come to XMPP temporarily.

https://search.jabber.network/search?f=y&q=joinjabber.org&sinaddr=on&sindescr=on&sinname=on

I...I do not think I can talk about disadvantages of XMPP in those rooms...

The kind of room... for people to talk about “which protocol to choose”.

Try Reddit

> Try Reddit Sorry. Nevermind. That is a hell of the kind of people like me.

Indeed.

☭Mike Yellow: How about don't talk so much? 🤷