XMPP Service Operators - 2023-11-20

moparisthebest: what Linux distributions can you recommend? Alpine Linux comes close to being an ideal server operating system, but the apk package manager is a bit crappy as it cannot downgrade packages in any way. I think for my next server architecture, I might use Void Linux, or I will have to go the BSD route

And I really despise systemd. Despite people saying systemd is not so bad, every time I try something with systemd again, it turns into a disaster!

Even from big names like Fedora, their systemd implementation is completely broken

emergency shell is unusable on Fedora and services can take 90 seconds to stop!

Fedora also has bad support. Even though their IRC has many members, they never reply to me when I ask them why systemd is broken

Even Gentoo has better support

Squeaky Latex Folf: mopar is an Arch fanboi ffs

Arch is unstable

Everything is...

And also has systemd and I have experienced issues with Arch's systemd implementation

Mainly the 90 seconds glitch

Why not artix?

> Mainly the 90 seconds glitch In fairness that does happen sometimes

Artix is less clean than Void

Ah yeah I remember void

Void is more consistent

>> Mainly the 90 seconds glitch > In fairness that does happen sometimes No other init system suffers from this issue though ↺

Fedora #1

Ewww

Squeaky Latex Folf, you can change the default timeouts in /etc/systemd/system.conf, fwiw

avoiding systemd-as-pid-1 these days *is* going to push you into fringe distributions. you need to make peace with that or with systemd :-)

systemd is great and makes it trivial to sandbox daemons

> Arch is unstable It's not, it's been rock solid stable since I started using it in 2016, much more stable than Ubuntu or Debian or redhat ever was for me > emergency shell is unusable on Fedora and services can take 90 seconds to stop! Services can take as long to stop as you configure them Squeaky Latex Folf: not 90 seconds, exactly as long as you configure it to, you gotta rtfm (or just ddg your problem) https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/310156

How often are you updating on an Arch server?

Sam@!: every hour pacmansyu :))

you should be doing daily automatic updates regardless of OS

heh. me over here with two month updates :P

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> How often are you updating on an Arch server? Whenever I get around to it, usually every few weeks ↺

I propose we all start updating daily and rebooting weekly or be defederated

jfc

I'm not joking

unattended-upgrades ftw

true. i have been meaning to set that up :x

unattended-break-your-server 🤣

moparisthebest, only on arch :P

unattended-upgrades works for me 👍

fedora/centos/rhel/etc dnf install dnf-automatic rpm-plugin-systemd-inhibit; sed -i 's/reboot = never/reboot = when-changed/' /etc/dnf/automatic.conf; systemctl enable dnf-automatic-install.timer --now;