XMPP Service Operators - 2023-11-27

> jabber.de also down here Still no comment on Homepage, no reaction to Email ... I believe they have gone forever. ↺

pure fun ...

jabber.de is down again?

for a few days now, yes

How did that happen? They used to be the largest server out there

jonas’, strange I had some online signs in between

eevvoor, might be that it's flapping.

definitely

I've been trying to rejoin a MUC there every now and then and didn't have any success for days now.

sometimes some messages suddenly come through :D

I sent two lines directly after each other, the first arrived, the second was swallowed :D

so you crashed it!!

But now it looks like this: ``` 27.11.2023 09:43:26 (I) gajim.client Connect 27.11.2023 09:43:26 (I) gajim.client State: ClientState.CONNECTING 27.11.2023 09:43:26 (E) nbxmpp.stream (jabber.de) Unable to connect to jabber.de 27.11.2023 09:43:26 (I) gajim.client State: ClientState.RECONNECT_SCHEDULED ``` ✏

I think what happened to jabber.de is a data privacy disaster. Users did not know that their data changed owner and couldn't react. I also wrote to a friend with a jabber.de account and our private communication including pictures is now in the hands of some unknown people in Poland.

matthias: but it's okay, those are omemo encrypted, right? ....right?,

Licaon_Kter: no. My friend has an iPhone and iPhone clients were not compatible to omemo for a long time.

matthias: but they are since 2020 or so...

They never upgraded? (Lol ChatSecure has omemo since 2018 but...)

Licaon_Kter: after having a lot trouble with omemo we decided to do not use it. It was OK for me because I trusted the old owner of jabber.de who did a good job until he transfered his service to new guys.

Yeah, so much for that...

I've tried before, to start coding/webdev channels, but so far this one's off to a humble start if anybody casually wants to chat about coding/programming/webdev type stuff: xmpp:coding@chat.toofast.vip?join

hi Licaon_Kter nice hat o/

Soon will have i2p service for this host on xmpp ^^

> I think what happened to jabber.de is a data privacy disaster. Users did not know that their data changed owner and couldn't react. I also wrote to a friend with a jabber.de account and our private communication including pictures is now in the hands of some unknown people in Poland. Thats not true. Jabber.de wrote the Adminchange in the News

I can confirm this.

Just complaining about free services. 😤

I'm really sorry that the new Adminteam has so much problems. But probably they now realize how much time and energy that Server needed.

> Just complaining about free services. 😤 I do it all the time, it helps, I then proceed to fix them :))

>> Just complaining about free services. 😤 > I do it all the time, it helps, I then proceed to fix them :)) 🙄

matthias, 🍏️🤣️🔏️

>> I think what happened to jabber.de is a data privacy disaster. Users did not know that their data changed owner and couldn't react. I also wrote to a friend with a jabber.de account and our private communication including pictures is now in the hands of some unknown people in Poland. > Thats not true. Jabber.de wrote the Adminchange in the News Imagine WhatsApp would transfer data to Poland and just publish the news on the website. For something significant like that people need to be informed personally. Who regularly reads the jabber.de website?

yeah this was discussed at the time. that the operator should have warned the people using the server before

matthias: > Imagine WhatsApp would transfer data to *an actual EU country with GDPR* and just publish the news on the website. For something significant like that people need to be informed personally. Who regularly reads the *whatsapp.com* website? Imagine that :rolleyes:

>> Thats not true. Jabber.de wrote the Adminchange in the News > Imagine WhatsApp would transfer data to Poland and just publish the news on the website. For something significant like that people need to be informed personally. Who regularly reads the jabber.de website? Its EU and Server location is Germany. No Problem for GDPR ...

> yeah this was discussed at the time. that the operator should have warned the people using the server before We did that. 😡

damnit seriously jabber.de is sinking or what? what's wrong with their host? give it to me!

and, if you're not going to use your own hosted services, you have no right to complain, end of story there

dunno if i read that right

i will happily take over remotely that host, for free

lol, free, yea, or dirt cheap

i can fix it

and will bother to announce things

chunk: when my RPi5 arrives I'll do that too :)

well what are the parameters of this jabber.de issues, i realize they chose a major XMPP based domain, and thus became a major XMPP domain/host, and i remember that they had database migration issues not too long ago, and their admin might've been too shy to ask for help from anybody, but what's the issue now?

imo the domain and host together are simply holding a place, in that *.de and jabber.*

I could be swayed into buying domain, or something, if it's too much of a burden, or otherwise give me a shell, hmu

ima like buy jabber.ca

i wonder if that's even taken hue hue

AIUI, the current admins of jabber.de haven't yet interacted with the community during this downtime.

given the general negativity in here, I cannot blame them.

how many users does they have about? i should check but gajim busted :| if iot's like more than 20 I would want to use an announce adhoc option and announce to all users, or set a pubsub, that sends to all users, or something

> jonas’: > 2023-11-27 01:45 (GMT+01:00) > AIUI, the current admins of jabber.de haven't yet interacted with the community during this downtime. > given the general negativity in here, I cannot blame them. Yes, blaming does not help, even though I am angry about the situation myself. I supported in the past here trying to get them help. I would really love that we can find a round of folks that can help the admin in case they need the help. But I also don't know how to reach them

mail does also not seem to work

> chunk: > 2023-11-27 01:46 (GMT+01:00) > how many users does they have about? i should check but gajim busted :| if iot's like more than 20 I would want to use an announce adhoc option and announce to all users, or set a pubsub, that sends to all users, or something more than 4000

hiya emus

I migrated on contact by now already

holy moley 4000 @_@

likely even more

that's peak active users, not just accounts, right? ✏

jonas’: was there negativy here? Maybe sad jokes, but it's not like we can help...or I for one did not see them reach out, whatever

> jonas’: > 2023-11-27 01:50 (GMT+01:00) > that's peak active users, not just accounts, right? I think you are right, then we alao talk about 10-20k maybe devliz seem to be here and maybe can help with the new admin

somebody should smuggle their way in

do some epic load balancing and redundancy check

Licaon_Kter, chunk's recent stuff can be read as extremely dismissive and negative, and sad jokes definitely don't help people struggling to keep a difficult service running for free.

jonas, nice oppressive language pal

luv u too 😘

i said gimme a shell, lets do this

chunk, excuse me?

excuse yourself

why you so negative sir

Licaon_Kter: > chunk: when my RPi5 arrives I'll do that too :) I'm on the list for it since 1st of October. First contingent was sold without a chance to me, 2nd contingent also. Keep fingers crossed that you will get one.

i wonder what it's specs will be

chunk: use a search engine...

but im a slave to the rave (xmpp)

https://soundcloud.com/m-project_suzumoto/m-project-kamikaze-rave-ting

from 3 to version 4 was a massive boost, was nearly twice the performance, and im content with my rpi3b+, so i imagine rpi5 will be cake of cakes

chunk: pls keep offtopic in offtopic

lmao u brought up the rpi's

nice try

I deserve to partake, I'm an operator of an xmpp server, have been for 4 years

first of all, there's no such thing as a "right to partake".

secondly: Licaon_Kter mentioned Rpi5 in passing in the context of deploying an xmppd; that's different than an in-depth discussion of the Raspberry Pi line of devices and their specs.

yea, and you said i was being negative, yet i was offering my help and curiousity to the way that other thing was oddly taken care of, you ALL (plural) can back go back to ur keyboards and leave this chunk tf alone cuz you're harassing m

i came in good spirits, but ofc u, of all, has some shit to deliver to my square, ya, beat it

that's your only existing warning, ever, and then you don't wanna know what will happen

chunk, threatening people is unacceptable behaviour, time out

Their speech is a little blunt usually (but in Offtopic context that's a meh mostly), I'm not sure they're bad intended... :)

re-reading, I might've been too harsh about claiming negativity in their earlier statements.

I didn't even read back that far, but coming to this tab and finding a checklist of off-topic, profanity and threats is enough to warrant at least a temporary ban to cool off

fair 'nuff, I'm apologizing for what I said in 1:1 now

I must be getting old, but I was under the impression that I was reading rap or hip hop lyrics

>> jonas’: >> 2023-11-27 01:50 (GMT+01:00) >> that's peak active users, not just accounts, right? > I think you are right, then we alao talk about 10-20k maybe > > devliz seem to be here and maybe can help with the new admin No time for that kind of support. Thats one of the reasons i handed the service over.

devilz: would be possible to at least get the person to contact the round?

I didn't meant to ask for direct work on the server maintenance

> devilz: would be possible to at least get the person to contact the round? I'll try

> > devilz: would be possible to at least get the person to contact the round? > I'll try Thx! ↺

Thank you very much

never trust the service, trust the software

encrypt for the future

jabber.de seems to be up again.

Should it be considered co-opted?

> jabber.de seems to be up again. What was the problem, again? ↺

Don't know, but I guess they'll tell within the next days.

Jabber.de is up for me. Good news.

can anyone help me figure out

if I’m getting sppamed?

What do you see?

a registration per second

+1

Oh, random names? Do they do something afterwards?

so far? nothing

Ah, _the long game_

Every registration from another IP. Just closed registrations for the moment

I see nothing in common

I will just send a single message and delete