XMPP Service Operators - 2024-01-17


  1. Madiator2011

    I have questions for XMPP server operators here. What made you chose to run XMPP over other solutions like IRC, Matrix? Or maybe you run some others alongside. Making masters thesis and that information would be useful.

  2. Licaon_Kter

    XMPP is 25 years old Matrix is what, 7-8?

  3. Licaon_Kter

    IRC has no federation...

  4. Stix (loqi)

    xmpp is an open internet standard that does not use a lot of resources unlike matrix

  5. Ge0rG

    Madiator2011: if you want to have it in your masters', you should probably follow a structured approach, e.g. using a questionnaire of some sorts that you can later analyze quantitatively

  6. Licaon_Kter

    This ^^^

  7. Ge0rG

    TL;DR: I've been using IRC since 1996, XMPP since ~2002, and in 2009 I joined an XMPP client project because I wanted to have a reliable SMS replacement. IRC is not suitable for mobile devices, so XMPP was the only choice.

  8. Madiator2011

    I mean I only gathering some info do not like structured approach as it's take time to process later and also my thesis is about secure communication over Internet.

  9. Ge0rG

    After a few years I wanted to make onboarding easier for the users of my client, so I started a public XMPP server. It's been running for a decade now.

  10. Madiator2011

    IRC is good though its updated to newest standards, Matrix is most close thing we can get to Discord clone, where XMPP is midle ground between like Matrix extras and simplicity of IRC?

  11. Licaon_Kter

    Discord is an unencrypted proprietary silo, there's no hosting. Not sure it fits the "secure" part.

  12. Ge0rG

    Madiator2011: the new IRC protocol will never gain traction

  13. MSavoritias (fae,ve)

    also matrix is a protocol not a ui

  14. Licaon_Kter

    IRC standards have moved too slow and the network is fragmented.

  15. MSavoritias (fae,ve)

    plus the new xmpp is better even with the new irc protocol imo

  16. Madiator2011

    So far I only hosted Matrix and XMPP servers. I know setting up Synapse was pain (micro services) Discord was example of service most used by people (kinda want to give view at closed vs open source)

  17. MSavoritias (fae,ve)

    there is nothing that comes even close to what discord offers in open source

  18. MSavoritias (fae,ve)

    in my experience

  19. Madiator2011

    probably only Revolt

  20. Madiator2011

    though problem with this type of services is that they force you to use single server that cant talk to others unless it's implemented.

  21. MSavoritias (fae,ve)

    afaik its the closest. but yeah no federation or a standard like xmpp

  22. Madiator2011

    Are you aware of some modern looking XMPP clients. Most of what I checked were like IRC ones :)

  23. jonas’

    dino IM?

  24. Madiator2011

    wont work for my case as I'm stuck on Windows

  25. jonas’

    it has windows builds

  26. Stix (loqi)

    > wont work for my case as I'm stuck on Windows gajim?

  27. Stix (loqi)

    mov.im

  28. Stix (loqi)

    soon™ prose.org

  29. MSavoritias (fae,ve)

    yeah i would say https://prose.org/

  30. Madiator2011

    gajim im using it now mov.im is more like social media page

  31. MSavoritias (fae,ve)

    for something that is close to discord/slack

  32. Stix (loqi)

    movim also has 1:1 messages just added functionality of blogs etc

  33. Madiator2011

    prose looks good but it's look like they come with own backend solution

  34. MSavoritias (fae,ve)

    never mind. prose says web3

  35. MSavoritias (fae,ve)

    nothing to see there i guess

  36. Madiator2011

    And also I saw that this project is made by Company that made Crisp (my most hated tech support thingy)

  37. jonas’

    fwiw, those client questions may be better asked in xmpp:support@joinjabber.org?join

  38. Madiator2011

    thx will ask there