XMPP Service Operators - 2024-01-18

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who the fuck is ringing my doorbell? hello???

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I found xmpp easy to host... relatively simple to set up, lot of nice features that just work, fast, light on resources. Matrix is going to be the opposite; difficult to set up, slow, heavy on resources

my pitiful server couldn't handle matrix's storage reqs

ben: that's more like a "you" problem, isn't it? Leave it the professional hosters, just buy from elem.... ✏

Yes it's me 😁

I only spent $100 to buy my server 😔

bare metal 😎

Licaon_Kter: what is a professional hoster?

your router/old laptop

at least that is what i will be using :P

rewtkid: ~Matrix~ ~New Vector~ Element will gladly sell you Matrix hosting Like conversations.im you buy the domain, they host it for you

Licaon_Kter, not anymore. its only for big companies and goverments now. all small organizations and individual hosting were kicked out ✏

so not sure who can host you now

anyone integrate the stopforumspam database into their server? can it be added to rtbl somehow?

Does anyone know if there is any software suited to crawling and/or indexing mucs, like search.jabber.network does? I assume the solution used there is an option but I didn't see anything in the way of instructions on how to set it up.

klaudie: how is it different to the RTBL?

they track IP addresses, emails, and usernames the latter can be applied to xmpp but I don't think rtbl supports partial matches like that

perhaps a plugin is more suitable

If it's about MUC spam, MUC servers don't see IP addresses

yes, hence username I mentioned

They also don't know about emails

Banning by username is already possible in a bunch of ways

yes, but I mean like integrated

But banning by username is worse than banning by JID, especially with some attempts at impersonating legitimate users

not a cronjob dumping tens of thousands of names into a config

mod_firewall will read a text file

deport: isn't s.j.n invited to the MUC and not crawling?

Can anyone remember the Matrix service that provides customers with bridging to WhatsApp and Telegram? My friend in China needs it, apparently

nvm I think I found it on element.io

> deport: isn't s.j.n invited to the MUC and not crawling? To even be able to consider a room, it must be known to the service. Rooms are discovered by the following means: - when crawler@search.jabber.network receives an invitation to a room, and - by listing public rooms on domains already known.

Right

Known means "invited to other rooms on that same server" ? ✏

I assume, though maybe he's doing more that isn't mentioned

i think its automatic if the bot already knows a server. you dont have to invite to all rooms individually

but there are checks of course like the room being public for starters

MSavoritias (fae,ve): only those can be DISCOvered anyway

yep

hi all

is there anything simillar in xmpo world that is like channels in telegram ?

whatis channels in telegram ?

xmpp(

channels is groupchat ?

its just a stream, you subscribe to a channel and you get messages from it but there is no chat, its one way

its really popular

isn't that a chat where only a few people are authorized to post things? XMPP's MUC permission model allows for that.

is there a simillar thing in xmpp ? bc its really useful for news, announcments etc.

climatechanged, yes, in XMPP it's just a normal group chat with some configuration changes applied

Alternatively, pub/sub could be used, I suppose - but that would not fit as neatly into pre-existing clients.

how can regular group chat be used for that ?

It's not as commonly used on XMPP as in Telegram, but there were some people doing it

ah, there's pubsub which is publish+subscribe. It basically is the original name before Telegram brand it to 'channels'.

can you point me MattJ, in what way should channel be configured ?

Trung: pubsub never worked from any client i used so far

climatechanged, look for 'voice' in https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html

you can also create bots that subscribe to certain RSS feeds.

basically, you make a MUC moderated, and give only one occupant 'voice'.

ohj

ok that sounds easy lol

climatechanged, on a chat hosted by a Prosody server, you would enable "Moderated (require permission to speak)", and set "Only show participants with roles" to "moderator"

ejabberd has similar functionality, but the names of the options might be slightly different

XMPP, the swiss army knife of IM.

ok ill try it

didnt know there were differences between prosody and ejabberd rooms

thecoffemaker might know a few things about RSS bots. ( btw s2s to cyberdelia.com.ar is not working )

> thecoffemaker might know a few things about RSS bots. ( btw s2s to cyberdelia.com.ar is not working ) been down and will be offline for a few weeks ISP issues during our vacations ↺

> basically, you make a MUC moderated, and give only one occupant 'voice'. Might be actually interesting to add this as a "third" option in https://docs.modernxmpp.org/client/groupchat/ ↺

Yeah

I could see that in Movim actually, pretty easy to implement and gives a nice feature for the users :)

> how can regular group chat be used for that ? climatechanged, set a group chat room, no matters if private or public, set users who join the room as visitors as default (this way they will not be able to send messages, as opposed to participants, who will be able to write on a room, like us, right now). Let the ones that will share content as participants (or admin, I prefer no privileges just in case), they can be a bot like morbot (search on codeberg) or something like matterbridge.

climatechanged, I use this last option for a News room that takes the news from libera.chat and streams everything to the group chat, can't share the room uri coz my server will be down for a few weeks more, but believe me, it works!

thecoffemaker: hm i cant set that up in conversations

> thecoffemaker: hm i cant set that up in conversations I use gajim from desktol for muc administration tasks ↺

conversations doesn't have those features iirc

>> thecoffemaker: hm i cant set that up in conversations > I use gajim from desktol for muc administration tasks > conversations doesn't have those features iirc ^ this

thecoffemaker: ah got it

im on psi+ on desktop

they should also have it

psi+ has yet more features and buttons than gajim

Oh really

indeed

kinda hard to tame though. have to get it from AUR on archlinux but has cool themes

>> thecoffemaker: hm i cant set that up in conversations > I use gajim from desktol for muc administration tasks > > conversations doesn't have those features iirc Have you had trouble clearing a ban list? I had to remove one at a time because if I selected multiple to remove it would not take effect.

>> I use gajim from desktol for muc administration tasks >> >> conversations doesn't have those features iirc > Have you had trouble clearing a ban list? I had to remove one at a time because if I selected multiple to remove it would not take effect. no, I usually use ad-hoc commands, if more than one to ban/unban a oneliner iterating jid's list usually solves it 😅 ↺

that's techy

i'm a fan

hi, im new

im on dino

welcome new to xmpp :D

And your server is running on which software ?

>> Have you had trouble clearing a ban list? I had to remove one at a time because if I selected multiple to remove it would not take effect. > no, I usually use ad-hoc commands, if more than one to ban/unban a oneliner iterating jid's list usually solves it 😅 TY