XMPP Service Operators - 2024-03-01


  1. agris

    nuegia.net is back up if you have ipv6

  2. Polarian

    agris, where is nuegia.net hosted?

  3. worlio.com

    on a server

  4. Polarian

    Hurricane electric 🤔

  5. Polarian

    it takes 300ms to ping the server

  6. Polarian

    from London, UK

  7. agris

    The Ping is not great. My lastmile provider was recently aquired by another company who their network admin hasn't had the time yet to fix all the mistakes in that infrastructure.

  8. agris

    It's going to take 1 month to reduce the latency

  9. agris

    I'm aware of the problem

  10. agris

    thankfully XMPP is not that latency sensitive.

  11. worlio.com

    it takes more than 1 nanosecond to send a message. literally unusable.

  12. agris

    I'm encountering multiple startup ISPs with similarly bad network configurations and it's suspicious

  13. agris

    The way i'm dealing with it is tunneling outside of the start ISP's network and dealing with network configuration there.

  14. agris

    It's like a condom or quarantine bubble for IP networks.

  15. agris

    The upside is I get PI address space. The downside is latency.

  16. agris

    The reason I don't have any IPv4 right is is because their configuration is so fucked, I can't even use it for transition purposes.

  17. agris

    the 426 proxy server is still up, just not reachable.

  18. agris

    because of ipv4 address exhaustion.

  19. agris

    If you are an ISP, just adding more NAT over and over again is NOT a solution.

  20. agris

    that's how they think, and then sell out

  21. agris

    and then someone else has to come and fix it while the community being serviced suffers

  22. agris

    Polarian, 300ms from europe is actually pretty good.

  23. Polarian

    > The Ping is not great. My lastmile provider was recently aquired by another company who their network admin hasn't had the time yet to fix all the mistakes in that infrastructure. Self hosting eh?

  24. Polarian

    > it takes more than 1 nanosecond to send a message. literally unusable. unfunny

  25. worlio.com

    you are literally unfunny

  26. Polarian

    > thankfully XMPP is not that latency sensitive. Within reason... 300ms might be noticable in audio or video chats.

  27. Polarian

    > you are literally unfunny I am not the one telling jokes

  28. worlio.com

    the joke is you, unfunny man.

  29. Polarian

    > The way i'm dealing with it is tunneling outside of the start ISP's network and dealing with network configuration there. That explains hurricane electric

  30. worlio.com

    Ping ain't bad. I'm glad my server supports IPv6. 250ms from my tests.

  31. Polarian

    > If you are an ISP, just adding more NAT over and over again is NOT a solution. Technically is a solution... just not a pleasant one for the consumer

  32. Polarian

    You tend to get what you pay for, if you pay for business networking, you will get better service

  33. worlio.com

    Chatting in a muc, it's not too noticable. I see the delay, but I can't tell if my ISP is the shit, or somebody elses is.

  34. Polarian

    and that is why my ISP costs a fortune

  35. agris

    there is no 'bussiness networking' here.

  36. Polarian

    > Polarian, 300ms from europe is actually pretty good. London, UK --> Sidney, Australia is about 250-300ms

  37. Polarian

    > Chatting in a muc, it's not too noticable. I see the delay, but I can't tell if my ISP is the shit, or somebody elses is. There is many factors: - Server getting overloaded - Client latency - server latency - Peer latency

  38. worlio.com

    Yes, I am well aware of how servers work and how communication can slow down. Thank you.

  39. lavrentiy

    Why do xmpp servers have so much metadata of clients?

  40. lavrentiy

    Is there anyway to make profile pictures and nicknames and private group chats not visible to server?

  41. agris

    disable vcards

  42. agris

    or don't set one

  43. lavrentiy

    But roster and bookmarks are also still visible

  44. Polarian

    Why are you so scared about them?

  45. Polarian

    If you don't trust the server, move server, or self host your own

  46. lavrentiy

    Why should I possibly be able to see what my users are doing?

  47. Polarian

    because it is required for clients to function

  48. lavrentiy

    Yes, but is there any work towards moving away from that?

  49. Polarian

    no

  50. Polarian

    that would defeat the purpose of federation

  51. Polarian

    what you are asking would be complete decentralisation

  52. Polarian

    also don't forget about chat markers, you are telling the server what you are reading

  53. Polarian

    or the fact you tell the server what client you are using

  54. rewtkid

    Polarian: you can easily easily change or out right remove most metadata you dont want published.

  55. rewtkid

    /info me

  56. moparisthebest

    lavrentiy: moving away from what? XMPP has roughly the minimal amount of metadata possible

  57. rewtkid

    i also dont like my client being published, i think it is a security risk. however most people dont need to be this paranoid (and i probably dont either)

  58. Polarian

    > i also dont like my client being published, i think it is a security risk. however most people dont need to be this paranoid (and i probably dont either) Its useful for debugging purposes

  59. Polarian

    and security via obscurity isn't security, attempting to hide the client you are using for security, is not security in the slightest

  60. moparisthebest

    Like yes server visible rosters are a useless relic of the past, from when things like presence mattered, but it's not technically more metadata than your server already has right? You send it a message and a recipient, it's gotta have that

  61. lavrentiy

    moparisthebest: roster, bookmarks, vcards, nicknames, muc descriptions and memberships, profile pictures are all visible to server always

  62. lavrentiy

    Other systems like signal and threema don't do this

  63. Wirlaburla

    > Why do xmpp servers have so much metadata of clients? so we can make fun of people using inferior clients.

  64. moparisthebest

    Yes they do

  65. Polarian

    also having the clients show up also differentiates between different connections

  66. rewtkid

    Wirlaburla: you are using conversations. lets not get into "inferior clients"

  67. rewtkid

    kek

  68. Polarian

    > Other systems like signal and threema don't do this Nobody is forcing you to use XMPP, don't like it, use something else.

  69. agris

    worlio.com, you have a really cool website. thanks for putting it on the internet.

  70. Polarian

    > Other systems like signal and threema don't do this I couldn't think how else they wouldn't

  71. Polarian

    possibly by the client asking the other to send the avatar...

  72. moparisthebest

    >> Other systems like signal and threema don't do this > I couldn't think how else they wouldn't They do

  73. Polarian

    but the issue with this is there is no device syncing

  74. moparisthebest

    They just aren't honest about it

  75. lavrentiy

    >> Other systems like signal and threema don't do this > Nobody is forcing you to use XMPP, don't like it, use something else. I seriously do prefer xmpp, I just feel like it is harming users at this point

  76. Polarian

    harming users?

  77. Polarian

    How dare the server store data to give the users a working product

  78. Polarian

    they shouldn't function

  79. Polarian

    there are bigger fish to fry than XMPP metadata

  80. lavrentiy

    Anyway, I'm not trying to compare here or go offtopic, I was only asking if there were xmpp specific developments to improve the situation

  81. Polarian

    there is no "situation" to improve here

  82. lavrentiy

    The protocols can be made in a way that don't require the server complete/direct/plaintext access

  83. lavrentiy

    Saying the others lie is dishonest

  84. Polarian

    the server can already see everything you send (apart from the message payload when you enable OMEMO)

  85. Polarian

    they know who you are talking to

  86. Polarian

    when, and how long

  87. lavrentiy

    Polarian: obviously, and even if entirely encrypted that can still be infered

  88. lavrentiy

    But that doesn't mean things like roster and nicks and pictures should all be unencryptes

  89. Polarian

    encryption isn't a silver bullet

  90. Polarian

    how would the nicks propagate?

  91. Polarian

    what about your roster?

  92. Polarian

    what about pictures? how would this all propagate?

  93. lavrentiy

    I mean JET is like 6 years old already

  94. lavrentiy

    There is already a spec for thi

  95. lavrentiy

    Xep-0420

  96. Polarian

    JET is deferred and secondly it doesn't fix the issue

  97. lavrentiy

    What servers or clients support SCE?

  98. Polarian

    none

  99. Polarian

    its experimental

  100. Polarian

    Hell most clients still have OMEMO issues

  101. Polarian

    the amount of times you get "this message is not encrypted for your device" because keys weren't shared or picked up

  102. Polarian

    its gotten better over the past year or so, but it still happens, I had it happen yesterday

  103. Polarian

    also you lost the original topic

  104. Polarian

    which was the server storing data

  105. Polarian

    the server stores data for various reasons

  106. lavrentiy

    SCE would directly help achieve that goal

  107. Polarian

    I can defeat that in 1 explanation: You set an avatar on your phone, your phone dies, you login to gajim on your desktop, your avatar has not propagated and there is no copy of it

  108. Polarian

    meanwhile, using the current implementation, you just ask the server to send it to you

  109. lavrentiy

    stage the picture (or encrypted blob) on the server, bump an epoch, set it into place

  110. lavrentiy

    it doesn't have to get out of sync between clients

  111. Polarian

    so your issue is simply the data is stored unencrypted

  112. Polarian

    ok your roster

  113. Polarian

    say you encrypted it

  114. Polarian

    but oh no you lost your phone

  115. Polarian

    how do you decrypt it

  116. Polarian

    you can't

  117. Polarian

    also OMEMO wouldn't work for that

  118. Polarian

    because of forward secrecy

  119. Polarian

    a new key would be generated and it wouldn't be encrypted for it

  120. Polarian

    which means it would only work with a static key distributed across many devices, which then adds additional requirements such as physical transfer of private key

  121. Polarian

    like I said, encryption isn't a silver bullet

  122. Wirlaburla

    > worlio.com, you have a really cool website. thanks for putting it on the internet. ty for the compliment

  123. Wirlaburla

    im probably a different nick on this device

  124. Polarian

    lavrentiy, https://xmpp.org/extensions/#xep-0420-implementations

  125. Polarian

    for implementations

  126. Polarian

    also bare in mind that XMPP is federated, unless you are planning to make XMPP peer to peer, your plans won't work either. Peer to peer was mainly for voice and video chats, and as far as I am aware, the reasoning was because the XMPP server bandwidth could then be conserved

  127. Polarian

    _maybe someone from the XSF board could correct that_

  128. Polarian

    _maybe someone from the XSF board could correct/confirm that_

  129. Wirlaburla

    peer-to-peer is cool and I wish newer internet shit didnt screw with those times

  130. Polarian

    peer to peer is difficult

  131. Wirlaburla

    now it is

  132. Polarian

    it always has been

  133. Polarian

    The internet was never designed for peer to peer

  134. Polarian

    true peer to peer is achievable though... something cool would be a way to message a friend next to you on the train by broadcasting signals to each other

  135. agris

    yeah it is

  136. moparisthebest

    > The internet was never designed for peer to peer Polarian: lol the internet was always P2P with each node being equal from day 1

  137. Wirlaburla

    The Internet wasn't made for most things.

  138. agris

    that's what ipv4 was designed for and what ipv6 was created to maintain

  139. Polarian

    but its not truly peer to peer, because there is still some lookup required to find the other user

  140. moparisthebest

    lavrentiy: join xmpp:xsf@muc.xmpp.org?join and participate in protocol development, it's easy, be the change you want to see

  141. Polarian

    there is still some centralised database somewhere

  142. Polarian

    > lavrentiy: join xmpp:xsf@muc.xmpp.org?join and participate in protocol development, it's easy, be the change you want to see moparisthebest do you contribute?

  143. Polarian

    one example would be DNS

  144. agris

    your should use XMPP before suggesting changing how it works

  145. Wirlaburla

    We aren't talking peer-to-peer as in hooking up our modems together. We are talking peer-to-peer as in client<->client.

  146. moparisthebest

    There need not be lookup, you tell me your IP and we communicate directly

  147. Wirlaburla

    And that worked fine.

  148. moparisthebest

    Polarian: yes

  149. Polarian

    > Polarian: yes example?

  150. Polarian

    > There need not be lookup, you tell me your IP and we communicate directly _if directly means bouncing packets around the internet_

  151. Wirlaburla

    Then we ran out of IPv4s so ISPs used one per household, then one per neighborhood, and now it's kind of difficult without getting something else involved.

  152. Polarian

    and how do servers know where to send the packets? registries

  153. Wirlaburla

    IPv6 would probably fix that but not everyone has it.

  154. agris

    the reason not everyone has it is because ARIN is not doing their job

  155. Polarian

    hmm how to differentiate between true peer to peer, and client to client 🤔

  156. agris

    charging an arm and a leg for a plentiful resource

  157. agris

    only catering to big corporations

  158. Wirlaburla

    If you want true peer-to-peer, put a satellite dish on your house tell your peers its exact cordinates.

  159. agris

    we need to break up ARIN and build something like RIPE to replace

  160. Polarian

    > If you want true peer-to-peer, put a satellite dish on your house tell your peers its exact cordinates. that would be illegal

  161. Polarian

    > only catering to big corporations It is hilarious how open source developers hate on big companies

  162. Polarian

    when its the big companies which fund your projects

  163. Polarian

    them same big companies you are moaning about use their position to fund open source network tools etc

  164. Polarian

    ~some of them at least~

  165. Wirlaburla

    » [19:35:57] <Polarian> that would be illegal only if you do it wrong

  166. Polarian

    not everything is boolean unfortunately :)

  167. moparisthebest

    Polarian: here I guess https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Travis_Burtrum_Application_2023#My_XMPP_related_projects

  168. agris

    ARIN is supposed to be managing a public resource, not exclusively catering to big corporations and rent-seeking ipv6 for an entire contient

  169. moparisthebest

    Antennas are illegal????

  170. Polarian

    > only if you do it wrong Broadcasting signals without the permission of the authorities and the proper clearance, and safety compliance will land you in prison

  171. Wirlaburla

    As I said, only if you are doing it wrong.

  172. moparisthebest

    You need a license for WiFi????

  173. Polarian

    > You need a license for WiFi???? technically yes

  174. moparisthebest

    No

  175. agh

    Over certain power limits, yes.

  176. Polarian

    yes

  177. Wirlaburla

    Uh, no?

  178. Polarian

    > Over certain power limits, yes. ^

  179. agh

    Also use of the spectrum in public radio spacr

  180. moparisthebest

    Ok what does that have to do with anything though

  181. Polarian

    technically you shouldn't have your wifi outside your property, however if only radio signals were easy to control

  182. Wirlaburla

    You can still put a satellite on property and truly peer-to-peer with someone else doing the same thing LEGALLY.

  183. Polarian

    but you can get in trouble for blasting high powered wifi signals

  184. Polarian

    its one of the reasons you can't buy high powered APs easily

  185. moparisthebest

    This is like you saying forks are illegal, and me saying no, and you saying stabbing someone with a fork is illegal

  186. Wirlaburla

    Wi-Fi isn't the only form of wireless communication.

  187. agris

    moparisthebest, it's trollbait

  188. Polarian

    > You can still put a satellite on property and truly peer-to-peer with someone else doing the same thing LEGALLY. Well... the satallite would then be the intermediate...

  189. moparisthebest

    You can legally do WiFi over surprisingly long distances

  190. Polarian

    > You can legally do WiFi over surprisingly long distances AFAIK if you get caught blasting your wifi signal too far, authorties will complain

  191. moparisthebest

    No

  192. Polarian

    same thing with using blockers

  193. Polarian

    > No I assume it would differ by country as well :)

  194. Wirlaburla

    Only if you interfere with their shit.

  195. moparisthebest

    Signal jammers are usually illegal and with good reason

  196. moparisthebest

    But what is a "blocker" ? A Faraday cage/bag is and it's not illegal

  197. agh

    > You can legally do WiFi over surprisingly long distances Thru increasing the power, and very large RX antenna?

  198. Polarian

    > Signal jammers are usually illegal and with good reason I was referring to jammers yes

  199. Polarian

    It would be cool to run your own wifi mesh across your local town

  200. Polarian

    give out free wifi to all

  201. Polarian

    _and foot the bill_

  202. Wirlaburla

    In the US, there are restrictions and limitations but if you stay within those, and do not interfere with other important signals and frequencies, they really can't and won't do shit.

  203. Wirlaburla

    So shove a satellite on your property then upload a file via the XMPP proxy65.

  204. Polarian shrugs

  205. Calvin

    > You need a license for WiFi???? Yes, you do. The license is associated with the device (although there’s parts of the “wifi” bands that are actually allocated to HAMs and you need an amateur license for those, but can build your own transmitters for those parts of the spectrum). Every device you have that transmits will have an FCC certification associated with it. Wifi cantennas and yagis are technically illegal because adding high gain uncertified antennas can bring the devices out of spec.

  206. agris

    no you don't. it's true your sharing part of a ham band but it's not exclusive use. HAMs have primary usage, and your a secondary user

  207. Polarian

    > no you don't. it's true your sharing part of a ham band but it's not exclusive use. HAMs have primary usage, and your a secondary user You need to be authorised to transmit high power WiFi signals

  208. agris

    which means if you intefere with a ham they can politely request you to switch frequincies or reduce power.

  209. Polarian

    at least in the UK you do

  210. agris

    Polarian, quit trolling

  211. Polarian

    O2 holds the right to transmit high powered WiFi signals

  212. Polarian

    > Polarian, quit trolling I am not trolling... quit flinging mud at me

  213. Wirlaburla

    The UK doesn't exist.

  214. Polarian

    > The UK doesn't exist. what,?

  215. Wirlaburla

    There is only the US.

  216. agris

    what does this have to do with operating an xmpp server?

  217. Wirlaburla

    And the US says "blast the signals everywhere"

  218. Wirlaburla

    » [20:04:08] <agris> what does this have to do with operating an xmpp server? Good point.

  219. Wirlaburla

    Lets operate an XMPP on the meshnet.

  220. Polarian

    > what does this have to do with operating an xmpp server? No clue... conversation got derailed

  221. Wirlaburla

    Our frequencies veered out of alignment.

  222. Wirlaburla

    Our band went out of sync.

  223. Polarian

    > what does this have to do with operating an xmpp server? last time I checked you don't have moderation or owner, and you constantly calling me a troll is starting to annoy me. Please stop.

  224. Polarian

    I will discontinue the off topic conversation

  225. Wirlaburla

    I swear you are like some AI chatbot.

  226. Polarian

    funny how a conversation about xeps turns into peer to peer turns into licencing/legality of high power WiFi transmission

  227. Wirlaburla

    Gonna go get a satellite and run the first ever public satellite XMPP instance.

  228. moparisthebest

    Not first ever, my brother's family communicates with mine over legal 60ghz mikrotek WiFi dishes from about 500 yards (meters) away

  229. agris

    Polarian, XMPP operators generally monitor this chat to resolve federation issues and such. When you constantly derail it with non-xmpp-operation unrelated stuff it gets annoying.

  230. Polarian

    > Polarian, XMPP operators generally monitor this chat to resolve federation issues and such. When you constantly derail it with non-xmpp-operation unrelated stuff it gets annoying. I'm not the one continuing the topic... yet you always single me out.

  231. agris

    it's not that i don't want to talk about those things it's just that it's not here it's appropriate

  232. deport

    where is it?

  233. Wirlaburla

    » [20:11:45] <moparisthebest> Not first ever, my brother's family communicates with mine over legal 60ghz mikrotek WiFi dishes from about 500 yards (meters) away No way. That is pretty cool.

  234. deport

    I'm just wondering if there is a good place for that. The real problem is that conversation tends to happen where people congregate and people congregate around places for narrow topics, so I guess it's not a soluble problem.

  235. agris

    deport, not sure. is there a HAM muc?

  236. Wirlaburla

    As long as we're on the topic of server operation, I don't see the problem.

  237. agris

    there's a general offtopic muc people often throw around here but i don't like the way it's moderated so i stopped going there

  238. Wirlaburla

    We veered off for a small bit, conversations tend to do that.

  239. Wirlaburla

    » [20:15:37] <agris> there's a general offtopic muc people often throw around here but i don't like the way it's moderated so i stopped going there I don't like the people in it.

  240. agris

    i could create something if one doesn't already exist first. let me check s.j.n.

  241. Wirlaburla

    I'm sure there are plenty of general discussion mucs around.

  242. agris

    i found a german and i think an english one

  243. agris

    https://search.jabber.network/search?q=Amateur&f=y&sinaddr=on&sindescr=on&sinname=on

  244. agris

    xmpp:hamradio@conference.jabber.de?join

  245. agris

    this seems like the english one. there's a more popular one but has the language tag german

  246. agris

    Are you not joining?

  247. Wirlaburla

    Talking about something brought up doesn't mean you are into the topic. It just came up.

  248. Wirlaburla

    Thought you were going to look for a general offtopic one.

  249. nuegia.net

    no

  250. Licaon_Kter

    agris: > there's a general offtopic muc people often throw around here but i don't like the way it's moderated so i stopped going there That's moderated? Lol

  251. snikket dot deeeeee

    Maybe it was a complain about not enough moderation

  252. Licaon_Kter

    There's none, let alone enough

  253. Licaon_Kter

    :)

  254. jonas’

    let's stop that here. it's been enough noise in the past 24h

  255. Guus

    I'm trying to drill down 1GB of log files. Is there a tool that lets me easily remove blobs of stack traces? Something like a regex that allows me to remove fragments that start with a timetamp, contain some kind of message, and then all lines following it until a line that starts with a timestamp again?

  256. lavrentiy

    perl

  257. Guus

    I've been fumbling with regex101 for an hour now, but am failing :)

  258. lavrentiy

    take a look at the perl example in this one https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/72160 Guus

  259. lavrentiy

    it works really well for that case

  260. MattJ

    Guus, depending on how standard the log format is, lnav is generally great for browsing lots of logs

  261. jonas’

    Guus, that's the kind of things where you start to need sed, but only if lnav doesn't cut it.

  262. Fishbowler

    I use regular expressions in VSCode for this, doing find/replace with empty. It's rough, but I've found nothing better.

  263. jonas’

    fellow operators with interest in search.jabber.network, please observe: https://fosstodon.org/@sjn/112020911459112449

  264. unix.dog

    how do i do this on ejabberd?

  265. cal0pteryx

    unix.dog, like this: https://providers.xmpp.net/faq/#support-addresses

  266. unix.dog

    cool, thanks

  267. aereaux

    Does doing this in the global configuration section for prosody do this automatically on all domains?

  268. roughnecks

    They told me to add the same module in the muc component

  269. roughnecks

    Not sure if it needs to be also configured there or the global conf is enough

  270. snikket dot deeeeee

    You need it on the muc component too, only global doesn't load it on components

  271. snikket dot deeeeee

    With prosody, Global generally loads it on all virtualhosts, not components

  272. aereaux

    OK, thanks that clarifies it. Will it also take from global config options or should those also be put under the component as well?

  273. aereaux

    OK, thanks that clarifies it. Will it also take from global config options or should those be put under the component as well?

  274. Martin

    > fellow operators with interest in search.jabber.network, please observe: https://fosstodon.org/@sjn/112020911459112449 Oh, need to check whether I have those on the muc subdomain.

  275. snikket dot deeeeee

    aereaux: the config options can be kept globally and will be taken for the muc component too

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  276. Martin

    Phew, looks like I am already settled.

  277. snikket dot deeeeee

    Hm. Seems it's one of the modules that automatically works for components too. So never mind, just works loaded globally... (some are special)

  278. aereaux

    Great, now I'm even more confused on this topic 🤔️

  279. snikket dot deeeeee

    With prosody, _generally_ global loaded models count for all virtualhosts, not components, but the devs make some modules to be smart and also load on components. But you can assume all modules will, and it's also not desired all do.

  280. snikket dot deeeeee

    *can't assume

  281. Martin

    aereaux: Message xmpp:magicbot@magicbroccoli.de with `!contact yourmucdomain`.

  282. Martin

    It will tell you the 0157 contact if it's set.

  283. aereaux

    Thanks, that's useful

  284. Martin

    yw

  285. nuegia.net

    !contact

  286. nuegia.net

    Does I2Pd have any problems in a IPv6-only network? I'm testing it now because Tor seems to be unreliable. If it works I may replace all Tor federation with I2P federation. I'd also like to contact the person who maintains the mod_deepweb module for Prosody.

  287. nuegia.net

    Hopefully this fixes federation with onion-only servers.

  288. lavrentiy

    nuegia.net, fwiw with tor you need to configure it to allow bootstraping over ipv6 `ClientUseIPv6 1`

  289. lavrentiy

    nvm, seems Tor finally made that a default

  290. nuegia.net

    lavrentiy, i did that. tor bootstrapped but it still doesn't seem to work.

  291. lavrentiy

    Any specific error it says?

  292. nuegia.net

    $ torify nc -v ovbikg4xvmpceljba3tj2i3qyzhdfic76rvkuzpzquayiaecvydd7oid.onion 5222 1709333915 ERROR torsocks[9122]: Connection timed out (in socks5_recv_connect_reply() at socks5.c:547) nc: connect to ovbikg4xvmpceljba3tj2i3qyzhdfic76rvkuzpzquayiaecvydd7oid.onion (127.42.42.0) port 5222 (tcp) failed: Connection timed out

  293. lavrentiy

    What does tor client log say?

  294. lavrentiy

    And does server log say it is failing?

  295. lavrentiy

    If you send it a sighup it should print some stats

  296. lavrentiy

    Sigusr1* Sighup is reload

  297. nuegia.net

    I'm using nyx to monitor the tor daemon

  298. lavrentiy

    you might also instead try torsocks nc --proxy 127.0.0.1:9050 --proxy-type socks5 --proxy-dns remote xyz.onion

  299. nuegia.net

    oh the client?

  300. lavrentiy

    both server and client can tell you which end is failing